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There's fiction, and there's real life. In a fictional book, a character can be any age, any size, and still behave in any way. In real life, those features correlate strongly. It's easy to write an adult, mention she's 5 years old, and about 4 feet tall, and then have her wax eloquently about her passion for her lover on a stand. In real life, 5 year olds can barely string a coherent adult sentence together, and not about abstract ideas.
Link? How old were the victims? How does one enjoy something and then have it insidiously fuck them up later if there's no physical damage? Is it heartbreak? Addiction? Those are the only two experiences like that I can imagine. I'm not sure what they would be addicted to. Sex? I don't think it works like that, people just have a sex drive. As for heartbreak, what if it's just a lover's quarrel gone wrong? How come it's not illegal to break my heart?
What you call vaguely defined is in fact scientifically measured. What you prefer to my indices are the stated feelings of older women. As a rule, I can't condone the idea of labeling someone a felon because a woman says she's offended by him. She's got to show some physical damage or demonstrate some kind of financial or physical grievance using hard evidence. Maybe the difference between me and age of consent should be 18 folks is that I won't convict a man or legislate based solely on woman's scorn.
I already answered that with the "common law age of consent" idea. If it wasn't clear, puberty timing doesn't appear to correlate much with intelligence, so no, I would not buy precocious puberty as a defense if the girl clearly can't mentally understand consent because, for instance, she is 9.
Ah.
So rape that leaves no injury isn't rape?
Ah.
I see this is not just about the age of consent.
It's rape, but I have to have evidence it happened other than victim testimony. If the accused denies the victim's testimony, and there's no other evidence of rape, then they cancel out and I wouldn't convict.
You thought I liked little kids but really I'm just anti-feminist.
That's the law, in the US.
I did not think or say that.
Obviously, but a very particular type of anti-feminist.
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