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It's funny: while writing my previous comment I was thinking of this exact comment, but didn't realise it was you who'd written it!
I agree there's been a great deal of goalpost-moving on the topic of immigration, especially from those in favour. I've been thinking about this a lot in the context of Ireland, and specifically what immigration implies for the Irish national identity, or lack thereof.
What is the Irish national identity, really? Certainly no one would claim that it's based on ethnicity: even the farthest of the far-right would never dare to suggest that e.g. Denise Chaila is anything other than Irish, no hyphen necessary. (As pointed out by Angela Nagle, there's a bit of historical revisionism going on here, with modern Irish progressives loath to acknowledge that the Irish republican movement was always an unabashed, unapologetic ethno-nationalist movement.) It can't be based on a language that almost no one can speak, not even at a conversational level. It can't be based on a shared literary tradition (if the average Irish person has read an Irish novel in their lifetimes, it was probably by Sally Rooney, and I suspect the only dead Irish writer most Irish could name would be Joyce) or a musical one (most Irish people are proudly dismissive of their native musical tradition, and the most popular Irish musicians have always been those who aped sounds coming from the UK or the states). It certainly can't be based on Catholicism, with weekly attendance figures hovering around a quarter of the populace (a figure which is bound to shrink even more dramatically as the older generations die off).
At the height of the clerical abuse scandal (but, I believe, several years prior to the legalisation of gay marriage and abortion), I remember reading an opinion piece in the Irish Times noting that, of the three traditional pillars of Irish society (the Catholic Church, the Fianna Fáil political party and the Gaelic Athletics Association), now only the latter still retains anything like the kind of power and cultural influence it once wielded. After the clerical abuse scandals, the Church's reputation lay in tatters and attendance figures have been in freefall for decades, while it's been nearly five decades since Fianna Fáil secured an outright majority. The tone of this opinion piece was more than a little triumphalist, but in retrospect one wonders why the columnist wasn't a bit more concerned. Yes, these once-powerful institutions are a shadow of their former selves – but what are they going to be replaced with?
I know this is the story of every Western nation in the twentieth century: we gleefully tore down all the old institutions without giving any thought to what we ought to replace them with, and now we're experiencing a crisis of meaning. But I feel like the absence is even more keenly felt in Ireland, given how thoroughly we've deprecated everything else that might have served as a placeholder for a national identity while we got to work building new institutions. Woke progressives often talk about "culture" as if it's just another name for "language, cuisine, music, dance, fashion, sport": when they talk about "multiculturalism" and respecting different cultural practices, what they really mean is "you can speak any language you want, as long as you use it to respect everyone's preferred pronouns". But language, cuisine, music etc. is just superficial window-dressing: when we talk about "cultural differences", what we really mean is that people from different cultures have different moral values, and different assumptions they take for granted. Culture is why Arabs throw gay men off of buildings; culture is why Kenyans cut off their daughters' clitorises; culture is why disgraced Japanese people kill themselves rather than bringing dishonor on their families. With the hollowing out of Irish cultural institutions, whatever moral values and base assumptions an Irish person can be assumed to have are functionally indistinguishable from the European average (and, more to the point, the British* average). But unlike France, Sweden, Germany and so on, we don't really have much in the way of "culture" in the superficial window-dressing sense either. What native cuisine we have (aside from the obvious) is limited to coddle, colcannon, and bacon & cabbage; Irish dancing is that thing you're forced to do in Irish college over the summer before you can get back to kissing girls; language and music were covered above; the less said about Irish fashion the better. The only one in which we can really hold our own in is sport, and even then I'd hazard a guess than an order of magnitude more Irish people follow English club football exclusively than follow GAA exclusively. It's for this reason that Irish people tend to sound so faltering and unsure of themselves when attempting to explain what's unique and peculiar about their own culture, and what makes it meaningfully distinct from that of our nearest neighbour. "Emm... mammy'd have the wooden spoon after you, haha... flat 7Up when you're ill... Bosco on the telly... forgot to turn off the immersion?"
Sometimes you can detect the tension underlying all of this when Irish people talk about Irish history. Opposition to British rule occupies such a central role in the Irish psyche that it's almost impossible to overstate, and when pressed for examples of how oppressive said rule was, one will invariably be the penal laws, which placed heavy restrictions on Catholic practices in Ireland. But when you ask the person citing this example what they personally think of the Catholic Church, they will surely reply that it's a repressive homophobic misogynistic patriarchical institution made up entirely of kiddy-fiddlers whose theological beliefs are incoherent nonsense. In sum: "the Brits were bad because they tried to stop people practising Catholicism; also, the Catholic Church is an evil institution which ought to have no power". This cognitive dissonance is almost never remarked upon.
Ireland spent centuries fighting to protect our native culture against attempts from without to destroy it – then, almost as soon as we had won, we decided our native culture wasn't really worth defending in the first place, and tossed it aside in favour of generic, undistinguished universal culture. More provocatively, one could say that Ireland spent several hundred years ruled by a colonial overlord (Britain), finally achieved full independence in 1949, and in 1973 (barely a generation later) voluntarily submitted to being ruled by a different colonial overlord (the EU). Joining the EU was a sound decision from the perspective of economics, living standards and so on. But it's hard to dispute the idea that it ultimately compromised whatever sense of a distinct Irish identity still remained. The average Irish person's worldview owes far more to a gaggle of unelected administrators in Brussels than it does to Michael Collins, Daniel O'Connell or Charles Stewart Parnell, and that goes double for the hordes of woke West Brits and East Yanks who call themselves Irish but have nothing but scorn for every extant Irish institution or cultural practice. Listening to them speak, they don't even sound Irish. I'd imagine that most of them would know who Washington D.C. is named after, but not O'Connell St or Parnell St.
(Keen to hear @HereAndGone2's thoughts on the above.)
*Regardless of political stripe, Irish people can be relied upon to become very irate when you point out alleged commonalities between our culture and British culture. This defensiveness, in my view, has more to do with the narcissism of small differences than with any real factual dispute. Ireland has its own culture distinct from our nearest neighbour's only in the sense that we have an army and a navy: nine times out of ten, what's true of British people can be assumed to be true of Irish people also.
What I'm finding funny is the re-appropriation of traditional culture but stripping out the religious connotations, see the recent St Brigid's Day stuff. Now it's become a proper bank holiday, but along with traditions such as Little Christmas/Women's Christmas, it's being recast as some sort of proto-feminist, New Agey style feast. There was a completely dreadful 'icon' of St Bridget (very much in the Wiccan style) accompanying one such online article about 'traditions and customs and what we can do today'.
Nobody is going to be making Brid's Crosses out of rushes anymore, but what is left then? Fake Celtic paddywhackery. Deracinated for the natives, and nothing there of any substance to appeal to our new immigrant populations as shared culture.
God, how I miss the Bríd's crosses. I'm not religious, but it was still so nice to see them everywhere, actually physical crosses that schoolchildren had made with their hands. I wonder do they even learn how to make them in primary schools anymore? Certainly not in the Educate Together schools.
They might do them somewhere as part of Brigid's Day but yeah, in the childcare centre where I work, it's all Valentine's Day (and pancakes for Shrove Tuesday which of course nobody calls Shrove anymore).
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I think there is much to what you say. A few minor comments occur to me:
Do you mean that they would never dare in public because they would be crucified, but secretly they believe it? Or that even the far right don't believe in an ethnic conception of Irishness?
I am reminded of the end of the Cold War. No longer having an adversary really made the West lose its mojo surprisingly fast.
Hmm, excellent question. I don't know enough far-right people to know how deep the programming goes, how thoroughly Irish people have internalised the idea that being Irish has absolutely nothing to do with one's ethnic background. I'm reminded of Orwell's staggeringly prescient essay "Notes on Nationalism" which includes a passing comment along these lines:
I suspect that, even among the ranks of people who think that Ireland has taken in too many refugees in particular and immigrants in general, who think that our government prioritizes the needs of said immigrants over its own people and so on – even among those people, there are quite a number who would bristle at the suggestion that Denise Chaila is anything other than Irish. I'm not sure quite how they would justify such a claim: perhaps that, unlike first-generation immigrants who make their wives wear burqas, Chaila actually speaks English? But surely the entirety of Irish identity isn't reducible to a dialect and accent.
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