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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 9, 2026

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Iran, Russia, North Korea, China

None of these countries are actively committing genocide (maybe with the exception of China and the Uyghurs, though I don't entirely believe the over-the-top claims). The grossest thing about Israel is that they did manage to build a semi-coherent ethnonationalist state, but ruined it. Naturally, if you know what I mean, greed got the best of them, and they pushed their borders further outwards, far beyond where the Jews live. But an ethnostate cannot be an ethnostate state if there are other ethnicities living within its borders. There is only one solution.

None of these countries are actively committing genocide

China aside, as you said, I suppose it all depends on who you ask. But isn’t that always the case?

Russia’s violently imperial war in Ukraine is not only a flagrant violation of international law and interstate norms, but it also carries all the hallmarks of an ongoing campaign of genocide in Ukraine. From Russian dictator Vladimir Putin’s 7,000-word screed that systematically and historically denies Ukrainian nationhood; to mass graves uncovered in almost every Ukrainian territory liberated from Russian occupation; to the Kremlin’s public campaign of mass deportation and of Ukrainian civilians and children through “filtration” concentration camps; to the deliberate targeting of maternity hospitals, medical facilities, schools, and basic civil infrastructure; to the widespread employment of rape and sexual violence as a weapon of terror—rarely has genocidal intent and pattern of action been so clearly telegraphed and demonstrated for the world to see. According to the five-point definition under the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Russia has demonstrated clear, notorious, and mounting evidence in all five criteria, even though only one must be fulfilled to qualify as genocide.

The grossest thing about Israel is that they did manage to build a semi-coherent ethnonationalist state

Weren't there always some number of Arab citizens in Israel, with full rights?

Russia

The difference between what Russia is doing in Ukraine and Israel in Palestine is that Russia is taking Russian lands with ethnic Russians living on them. They are correcting previously incorrectly drawn borders which paid little mind to ethnicity, hence the ethnic tensions. For the situations to be comparable, Russia would have to take over Lviv.

Weren't there always some number of Arab citizens in Israel, with full rights?

There will always be minorities. But, also:

The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people

Iran is run by an ethnic supremacist Arab ruling class forcing (at pain of death or worse) the native Persian populace to bow to their god. The tens of thousands of protesters they killed are more legibly a genocide than the fog-of-war deaths of far fewer non-Hamas Palestinians.

The Iranian ruling class is not Arab.

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