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If someone was criticising the actions of the Nazi regime, would you discount their critiques on the basis that there is no value in discussion with someone who is going to blame the Germans every time? How many people in the upper echelons of the Israeli government, with the ability and authority to make serious decisions, are not Jewish?
What, exactly, is irrational about Coffee Enjoyer's post? Are you going to deny that Israel has nuclear weapons? Are you going to deny that they have, in the past, engaged in both espionage and direct attacks on the US? The most significant intelligence theft in US history (at least to my knowledge) was committed by an Israeli spy, Jonathan Pollard.
The kind of low-intelligence antisemitism that you're describing, the kind that belongs to people who just look for some kind of external force they can blame for the problems in their life so they don't have to do anything about, have always existed and will always exist. If it wasn't the Jews it would be the Feminists or the Man or the Illuminati etc. Those people aren't worth talking to, but I'd argue that it isn't the specific target of that kind of mental pathology that distinguishes them.
But you're doing your own thinking a great disservice by shoving every single person with an antipathy towards Israel into that rather cramped box. Have you paid any attention to the recent conflict or the actions Israel has actually taken in the Middle East? Do you think the family of Rachel Corrie are motivated by an "objectively irrational" dislike when they criticise the state of Israel? As someone on the left I can assure you that most people who criticise Israel in my circles have a gigantic list of incredibly specific grievances and problems they have with the state of Israel, and it is in fact the state of Israel which goes out of its way to conflate all criticism of it with criticism of Jews in general, and plenty of prominent organisations do the same (like the ADL).
I'm perfect willing to talk to someone who is anti-nazi, or anti-semitic, or anti-racism.
The problem is that quite a few people who these descriptions apply to are not worth talking to. I'd bet most people in Israeli leadership circles are very aware of how WWI created WWII, and therefore have awareness of the impact of what they do in Palestine has for the future. They'd be willing to discuss these tensions (at least previously).
Woke types? No. The Nazis are Satan if you try and argue that Cambodia or the USSR represent worse regimes you'll be labeled a Nazi or hear a bunch of talking points that are all soldiers or weak-men.
We've spent the last ten years getting used to how these people argue.
Anti-jew posters are often like them. For this specific poster - he recently had a conversation with one of our mods who handled it better and more eloquently than I could.
If you always blame the jews for everything in predictable ways, I'm just going to assume that's what you are going to do. You may eventually be right but that's not through predictive power it's through repetition.
Although - credit to SS for actually posting interesting things about other topics, although it took a bunch of redirection from the mods to get there.
Additionally if you disagree you typically get downvotes, personal attacks, and accusations of being a sheep. Everyone still here is sufficiently heterodox to make that an embarrassing accusation.
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