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The Trump cabinet shakeup continues
In Trump I, many of the early firings were because of insufficient loyalty. Trump adapted and overcame by ensuring personal loyalty at the apparent cost of competence. A junior law student could have told you his vengeance lawsuits would be laughed out of court. And it seems like the Iran SMO will snatch a few more scalps that would have delayed until after the midterms - poor Kash, he just wanted to party with the hockey chads. It's already claimed the Army Chief of Staff's, although it's not clear what exactly was wrong with Randy George's performance (the Army isn't even particularly involved in this op), or that of the Transformation and Training Command leader and the head of the Chaplain Corps.
There is obviously a trade-off between competence and loyalty. But where exactly the Pareto frontier runs is dependent on the specifics, like the field you want people to be competent in and the cause or person to which you want them to be loyal.
Finding a die-hard MAGA car mechanic or a die-hard SJ kindergarten teacher is easier than the opposite, for example.
Trump now is selecting for personal loyalty, like some generalissimo. However, what he can offer his vassals in exchange for their fealty is much less than what your average dictator can offer. He has about one year with majorities in Congress left, and then two years more as a lame duck president without majorities (unless he dies first). Most of the prospective candidates have longer time horizons than that. Unlike the Ayatollah, it seems unlikely that he will be succeeded by one of his sons; instead there will likely be some renewal of the Republican party after his death, and having been part of his cabinet might not enhance your career. On top of that, he is likely to push you under the bus whenever it is convenient for him. Noem and Bondi were loyal, whatever unpopular decisions they made certainly did have Trump's backing when they made them. I mean, being the fall guy/gal for the president is part of being part of an administration, but it certainly feels like Trump has more need of them than other presidents did.
Contrast this with SCOTUS appointments. If Trump had to nominate a new Justice tomorrow, I am sure there would be no shortage of accomplished conservative candidates (unless he foolishly insisted that they are loyal to him above the constitution).
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