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Not even trying the least to beat the dogpill allegations.
It’s a common flex for a young woman to brag about how she’s negative value-add to the men she dates. To boast about how desirable she is, that men will put up with her shit as the cost of being with her. “Just here to ruin your life.” “Hope you like bad girls because I’m bad at everything.” Or the older: “If you can’t handle me at my worst you don’t deserve me at my best.”
Bro got Streisand Effected to fame, as did Clavicular after him. Good for them, I suppose. To the extent Tate or Clavicular are part of a cause, they don’t have to do much recruiting as women do it for them.
Nor the "redpill" allegations. She knows that he doesn't share her values, she believes he's lounged off his wealthy (allegedly) straight white male privilege all his life, so what made her choose to be with him? Just what about him is worth overlooking his politics for, which she claims is alarming her?
This tracks with the pattern I've seen irl, literally the worst men I know (deadbeats, drug users, serial cheaters, emotionally distant dbags, Andrew Tate followers) who treat their girlfriends like fleshlights face near zero barriers to attracting women. You can't keep wielding the social crime of "misogyny" as a conversational cudgel to stop people from noticing unflattering* patterns in female attraction and dating incentives.
*I personally don't think it's unflattering, but it's probably difficult to reconcile it with progressive sacred cows.
I actually think it is the only logical thinking they perform. If you truly believe in white privilege and that misogyny and patriarchy is ever-present and powerful, then of course you will make those associations on personal level and you should date white privileged boys to eke a little bit of that power for yourself. You would be stupid if you go for oppressed black handicapped weakling.
It is self-defeating nature of these movements, the same by the way goes for the other side of the spectrum where some parts of the manosphere give advice to have many sexual partners. They at the same time resent women as hoes but they cannot help and validate their own masculinity by sleeping with dozens or even hundreds of them - this actually giving them value.
There is a saying that you are what you worship. If you worship power, this is how it logically ends.
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