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Culture War Roundup for the week of April 13, 2026

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How are you going to draw the lines in a fair manner, where does "politics" a topic about basically every part of life in at least some way actually begin here?

On a case by case basis. Like is done all over the world. I'm sure your entertainingly convoluted examples would make it all the way to the highest court of any land. That being said, I don't think they are very realistic. And you can make a mockery of any law with unrealistic examples. But those examples could still be dealt with, even if they are far from being representative.

I would personally make a distinction between political views and assertions made about private individuals in public. Similarly, political views directed against private individuals could easily be deemed to not be in line with the political process. As in, making politically unrealistic wishes of ill towards private persons is a clear enough step over the line. Similar to how saying 'In minecraft' is not actually a legal defense against the preceding threats of violence, saying 'politically' is also not a defense.

If boss' wife was not private, but a public political figure, then assertions against her would be political. But not in the context of her being your boss' wife, since that fact is not politically relevant. If it were politically relevant, and both the boss and wife are politically involved then an employee would have the right to make political statements about both.

All that being said, I'd generally side with employees over employers in any case where the working relationship between the two is not personal. The idea that an employer gets to dictate the public expressions of tens, hundreds or thousands of people goes against fundamental aspects of democracy as I see them.

This is some crazy logic, boycotting companies is your right. The government should not be micromanaging your financial decisions like that. Do you want every time you use a different gas station or try a new brand at the store to be open to scrutiny by bureaucrats to make sure you aren't "cancelling" anyone?

The point being illustrated by me was that people with actual employment protection rights, like blacks in America, don't have to boycott things, since their rights are upheld by third parties. If your rights are not upheld by third parties then you don't really have rights. Unless you want to contextualize any ability you have to do anything in the world as a 'right', in which case our understanding of the word is not 1:1.

On a case by case basis. Like is done all over the world. I'm sure your entertainingly convoluted examples would make it all the way to the highest court of any land. That being said, I don't think they are very realistic. And you can make a mockery of any law with unrealistic examples. But those examples could still be dealt with, even if they are far from being representative.

Is it common to have anti discrimination laws based around something as vague and unclear as "political beliefs"? I wouldn't have said it was.

I would personally make a distinction between political views and assertions made about private individuals in public. .

"John's gay son should be hanged" vs "Gays should be hanged by the government" doesn't seem that meaningful of a difference to me.

All that being said, I'd generally side with employees over employers in any case where the working relationship between the two is not personal. The idea that an employer gets to dictate the public expressions of tens, hundreds or thousands of people goes against fundamental aspects of democracy as I see them.

The employer is not some sort of dictator who is unable to be left. There's tons of jobs that someone can go do, both in their field and out of it. You have the same right of association and can leave your job for the reasons you want, like "my boss has an annoying voice" or "the company had a trans pride picnic and I don't like that".

The point being illustrated by me was that people with actual employment protection rights, like blacks in America, don't have to boycott things, since their rights are upheld by third parties. If your rights are not upheld by third parties then you don't really have rights

Civil right laws are largely meaningless, they only get passed when a society (and thus almost always the market of a society) are already in agreement with the general principles. Enshrining them has some effect don't get me wrong, but it's not as potent as it seems.

Market rationality happens a lot without such anti discrimination laws, like how many companies will hire illegal immigrants or with otherwise obviously fake ID under the table simply because it's more economical for them. Despite the exact opposite and almost all the laws on book encouraging hiring the expensive citizens. The Republican voting farmer might not really like illegal immigration as a concept, but he does enjoy doing better in his farm business. There will be plenty of bigots who might not like blacks or Whites or Asians or whatever, who recognize the same thing with race. Or gender. Or whatever. Bigotry has to be overwhelming in the market (and society) to overturn this. And the more cutthroat the market is, the more overwhelming the bigotry has to get.

Firing people unreasonably for their race/religion/sex/political beliefs/citizen status whatever will always be suboptimal compared to "hiring the most economical choice". Some companies might be willing to take the hit and be suboptimal, but plenty of others won't.

Is it common to have anti discrimination laws based around something as vague and unclear as "political beliefs"? I wouldn't have said it was.

If I'm understanding you correctly, Yes. Laws around vague and unclear things such political, religious and even deeply held philosophical beliefs are legislated around all over the world across a wide range of different models. Along with a host of other vague things.

"John's gay son should be hanged" vs "Gays should be hanged by the government" doesn't seem that meaningful of a difference to me.

Then we disagree. I think it's inarguable that there is not just meaningful but a clear logical distinction between the two. The most obvious one being direct personal animus.

The employer is not some sort of dictator who is unable to be left. There's tons of jobs that someone can go do, both in their field and out of it. You have the same right of association and can leave your job for the reasons you want, like "my boss has an annoying voice" or "the company had a trans pride picnic and I don't like that".

You are equating the rights of the employer and the employees. I don't agree with that equivocation due to the difference in power and circumstance. Quitting your only job is not the same as firing employee number 85. Why an employer needs the ability to fire an otherwise good employee because they don't like their stated political opinions is just bonkers to me. As if the psychological angst over political differences can be equated to a person now being out of a job.

Civil right laws are largely meaningless, they only get passed when a society (and thus almost always the market of a society) are already in agreement with the general principles. Enshrining them has some effect don't get me wrong, but it's not as potent as it seems.

Civil Rights Laws were very contentious when introduced. They are also very potent and have completely revolutionized the American Constitution. But I think we are getting a little far afield here. I'm not sure what the relevance of markets and discrimination laws is to this discussion.

To that extent, an optimized market is just as well a market that provides job security and stability that reinforces segregation and whatever else. Depends on where you are coming from!

Then we disagree. I think it's inarguable that there is not just meaningful but a clear logical distinction between the two. The most obvious one being direct personal animus.

You're right, there is a major difference. "Gays should be hanged" calls for violence against even more people than just wishing death on John's son. If we take the logic that a mass shooting is worse than a single shooting, even if both are bad then the call for mass death is even worse!

You are equating the rights of the employer and the employees. I don't agree with that equivocation due to the difference in power and circumstance. Quitting your only job is not the same as firing employee number 85.

Yeah they aren't the exact same but why does that mean government should limit an employer's right to free association?

Why an employer needs the ability to fire an otherwise good employee because they don't like their stated political opinions is just bonkers to me.

Doesn't matter if I agree with their business policies, they should be able to do what they want! If I dislike it, I can shop somewhere else. If enough people dislike it, they might feel an economic effect. Of course many real life boycotts show the stated vs revealed preferences of consumers, but that's really just a sign that they don't actually care as much as they say.

To that extent, an optimized market is just as well a market that provides job security and stability that reinforces segregation and whatever else. Depends on where you are coming from!

Yes, markets are just a form of emergent phenomena. They are simply the actions and choices of what people do (work) and what they exchange (trade). The market is just a subset of human behavior, and the same basic principles are everywhere such as with evolution.