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He was investigated and subpoenaed in front of Congress.
"Organizing public events" makes you a fed, how does that make sense? He's trying to engage in politics under really difficult circumstances.
How is Fuentes "in the good graces of the SPLC"? Do you just say stuff with no evidence whatsoever?
Nick Fuentes was also like 18 during Charlottesville and people still claim he was paid by the SPLC, is this an op or something? Do people making these claims seriously believe them? I seriously doubt BAP etc. actually believes it, just spreading disinfo to help the SPLC's mission.
Organizing AFPAC publicly so your followers can get doxxed (except without your superchat income) is at best irresponsible but at worst a good way to help Antifa. This, if I recall, was the source of Fuentes’ enmity with BAP because BAP said it was a bad idea to host public events.
Lots of people get subpoenaed - again was there a single other person who urged their followers to break into the Capitol and entered the Capitol grounds who wasn’t arrested?
Who said anything about Nick at Charlottesville - there’s been 7 years in the interim.
Hannah Gais:
https://x.com/hannahgais/status/1773741238291689497
Michael Dyson:
https://x.com/mantonmilitant/status/1974217829760045352
Fuentes praising Gais:
https://x.com/jadenpmcneil/status/1974198265588691027
The SPLC has been unrelentingly hostile to the BAPphere because it refuses to engage in the WN 1.0 and cargo cult tactics like hosting public political conferences which might allow the Left to ruin the lives of the participants.
In addition, Fuentes can be counted on to dox anyone who works with him… he’s an absolute value to the Left.
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