This weekly roundup thread is intended for all culture war posts. 'Culture war' is vaguely defined, but it basically means controversial issues that fall along set tribal lines. Arguments over culture war issues generate a lot of heat and little light, and few deeply entrenched people ever change their minds. This thread is for voicing opinions and analyzing the state of the discussion while trying to optimize for light over heat.
Optimistically, we think that engaging with people you disagree with is worth your time, and so is being nice! Pessimistically, there are many dynamics that can lead discussions on Culture War topics to become unproductive. There's a human tendency to divide along tribal lines, praising your ingroup and vilifying your outgroup - and if you think you find it easy to criticize your ingroup, then it may be that your outgroup is not who you think it is. Extremists with opposing positions can feed off each other, highlighting each other's worst points to justify their own angry rhetoric, which becomes in turn a new example of bad behavior for the other side to highlight.
We would like to avoid these negative dynamics. Accordingly, we ask that you do not use this thread for waging the Culture War. Examples of waging the Culture War:
-
Shaming.
-
Attempting to 'build consensus' or enforce ideological conformity.
-
Making sweeping generalizations to vilify a group you dislike.
-
Recruiting for a cause.
-
Posting links that could be summarized as 'Boo outgroup!' Basically, if your content is 'Can you believe what Those People did this week?' then you should either refrain from posting, or do some very patient work to contextualize and/or steel-man the relevant viewpoint.
In general, you should argue to understand, not to win. This thread is not territory to be claimed by one group or another; indeed, the aim is to have many different viewpoints represented here. Thus, we also ask that you follow some guidelines:
-
Speak plainly. Avoid sarcasm and mockery. When disagreeing with someone, state your objections explicitly.
-
Be as precise and charitable as you can. Don't paraphrase unflatteringly.
-
Don't imply that someone said something they did not say, even if you think it follows from what they said.
-
Write like everyone is reading and you want them to be included in the discussion.
On an ad hoc basis, the mods will try to compile a list of the best posts/comments from the previous week, posted in Quality Contribution threads and archived at /r/TheThread. You may nominate a comment for this list by clicking on 'report' at the bottom of the post and typing 'Actually a quality contribution' as the report reason.

Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Notes -
Well no offense but that you had read it at all and didn't have little alarm bells blaring in your head to double check that California would have volunteer criminal grand juries is still what I mean by ignorance of the system. That would be incredibly shocking to learn any state did it that way.
I'm not saying there isn't any, but even when we stack the deck and assume that every single Harris voter is a super partisan radical again we still only hit 36% of the total population that is biased in this way, in California one of the bluest leaning states. Also age and intelligence bias go the other way for juries. Random chance might get a few grand juries where they stack the deck with blue partisans, but they're disproportionately smarter, younger and higher income people who will get out of jury duty easier!
For the most part of any grand jury anywhere you're gonna have to deal with convincing a bunch of normies who couldn't manage to get out and bored retirees who are just happy to be doing something again. And often those times where you think someone got off unfair is really just because you didn't understand the specifics of the law just like you didn't understand criminal grand juries. There's multiple understandable parts, if you know the specifics, why he didn't get indicted.
The government's laughable attemps to upcharge it as a felony. The cop laughing it off later as no big deal (and lying in court about the details too for some reason) made it harder to suggest there was a reasonable chance of bodily harm in the sandwich throwing given that it didn't result in harm. (It's not impossible since we're talking about chances, but juries see "X happened and Y didn't" as evidence that X causing Y is less likely then), that they had originally released him without charge until the scene went viral later weakened their case significantly (if it was clearly assault to them, they should have pressed then and not let him go) suggesting politically motivated prosecution rather than fact based ones which the felony upcharging and public statements by the Trump admin did not help. And the history that other "soft objects" throwers don't normally get charged under this statute weakened the case even more from that.
That a grand jury refused to indict a hilariously upcharged felony assault over a case which was blatantly politicized in prosecution motive, one that the officers themselves had initially treated as no big deal and nothing to charge over is not that much of a surprise. They then had to cut it down to a misdemeanor, but given the already rocky history and details here and the still hilarious allegations that the sandwich caused bodily harm, the petit jury at trial found him not guilty. Sean Dunn was probably guilty of something, but through multiple unforced errors of choosing stupid statutes to charge him under, letting him go to begin with, blatant politicized prosecution motives, etc the prosecution really hurt their chances at what could have been a slam dunk. They wanted to make an example out of him and fucked up.
More options
Context Copy link