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Yes, I in fact have downloaded and played several of the games Epic gave away.
The storefront they have is simply not a serious enough draw where, given the choice to buy a game on Steam vs. Epic, to really go for Epic instead.
And Steam has not taken a single action that has made me feel mistreated or punished for loyalty. Its their game to lose, as the user numbers tend to show.
EDIT: I hopped on Epic Games to see what free games they were offering. They have Rogue Waters, a pirate roguelike game that looks right up my alley! Epic Game store shows it has a 4.1/5 star rating. Not bad.
But I hop over to Steam and I can IMMEDIATELY see that it has "mostly negative" recent reviews, which indicates a possible problem! I read one recent one and it says:
That is EXTREMELY relevant information, and if it weren't literally free, I'd probably not buy it based on that review... which Epic wouldn't have shown me.
STEAM IS JUST THE INHERENTLY MORE CONSUMER-FRIENDLY PLATFORM.
WHAT IS STOPPING EPIC FROM IMPLEMENTING THE SAME SYSTEMS?
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Love to hear that! If I can improve my worldview its a benefit to me.
Not convinced, though, since this model of things has been extremely predictive of corporate behavior and has actually shaped my own behavior as a consumer to try and 'reward' those companies that actually maintain a standard of NOT treating consumers like cattle.
I'm mostly focused on products where they've managed to achieve the 'efficient frontier' on exactly how little quality they can produce such that the average consumer no longer notices or cares, whilst maintaining a similar price point as they've had all along.
Its been done with movies, with cars (although there are of course luxury brands if you DEMAND quality!), with food, and its ubiquitous with tech.
Shrinkflation is a known tactic used here as well.
I mostly blame the fact that people have very short memories so even if they notice that the quality of something is kind of poor, they won't realize that anything has been lost since they can't remember the before times. And they won't readily recall the poor quality when it comes time to buy new.
Me, I have an extremely sticky memory. I hold grudges, I remember details about people's behavior at critical moments, I remember when government official did things that betrayed their constituents. So I'm just particularly sensitive to the tactics at work in the corporate world.. But on the flip side, if a company (Valve) consistently treats me 'well' I am happy to reward them with loyalty.
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Who was the primary owner of Amazon shares for the duration of that unprofitable period?
Do yah think the fact that the original founder maintained centralized control for the majority of the company's lifespan might have helped its overall approach to long-term investment? Is that possible?
This is precisely and exactly my argument.
Amazon is, however, an example of an enshittified corporation by now. At least their website is. Lots of knockoff products with relatively poor quality control, and the search is less functional, the return policies are less friendly. The review system is manipulated, both by the site and by scammers. I accept this may be due to customer abuse, of course.
I have not had a Prime membership for about two years because They introduced ads into the 'free' tier of Prime Video. Yes. I am that petty. Their logistical empire remains unmatched, I do admit.
Steam has of course never done that to me. The search function works marvelously, they give you a great review system to judge the quality of products, and has the nicest refund policy in the business.
Google is arguably a true pioneer of the enshittification process, which DOES leverage its nigh-monopoly status to engage in anti-consumer practices.
Again, if you have a specific metric that we can apply that might capture the phenomena, I'm happy to examine and discuss it.
Do you have any examples offhand of a company that was becoming horribly mismanaged and driven into the ground that managed to make a massive turnaround WITHOUT it being taken private by interested parties?
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