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This whole conversation is just the result of the growing victimization crisis we have in society. Us men are in a better spot now than throughout all of history, and yet just like with everything else all anyone can do is be angry and cry that things don't match up with their ahistorical fantasies of the past.
The average man of history was not some rugged chad forging their way into the wild west nor were they the rich royal with their pick of the wenches. No, the average man lived crappy lives with only the crappy people around them in their hyperlocal area. Food was scarce, medicine was laughable, the only women you would get with were just the fellow peasants you happened to be around and most of your kids died before you even bothered to name them.
Now we live in a time of abundance. I met my wife through the Internet and we lived several states away at the same time. We hit it off in personality and interests and we have children. Before, I would have just been forced to pair with whatever local peasant was available and now I get someone who matches with me well instead. It's not to say it's perfect at every point, but any and all relationships between two different individuals will have areas where they differ and don't match perfectly. The soul mate is a lie and compromises must be made sometimes. She is not my perfect fantasy wife and I'm not her perfect fantasy husband, we're humans not dreams.
Perhaps the before system was better for the loser men who enjoy a win by default. A much lesser and lower quality win, but at least it's a win, something they can't get now. If there was a historical acknowledgement of the downsides there is an argument to be made that yes, for some people it was better. And yet what I see of these loser men today is that they want it all and won't settle. They want the abundant choice of having a top notch beauty who fulfills all their fantasies brought about by modernity, but they also hate that abundant choice means they have to match up as well. But they don't, won't, and can't because they're still the peasants like always. It's often accompanied of course with porn addled unrealistic standards of womanhood too, meaning even the weak concept they might have of settling and compromising has still been tilted towards the insane.
And yet many more men want to come to the US and other western nations (or Western like nations such as Japan) than those who want to leave. It's obvious why. Because as much as people want to complain and complain, they do truly understand that life is better here. Immigration levels are the ultimate rebuttal to anti west sentiments, the 2nd and 3rd worlders want to be here, we don't want to be there. Even when Americans do leave, it's almost always to other western nations. And even when they do move to non western nations, that is still mostly done by utilizing their immense wealth disparity to explicitly avoid the average life the natives there hold. They live in gated communities with security.
Just because it's better here than in shithole countries right now doesn't mean it's better here than it was twenty, thirty, or forty years ago.
You play to win the game, you don't play to just play. Or, in other words, winning is all that matters.
My goal is to make sure this isn't necessary in America, but we're sixty years or more down the slippery slope and don't have much evidence of slowing or reversing. It's these people who come from places where those walled cities are necessary that make it necessary in the US, too, so the fact that they want to come here really doesn't move me at all. They don't get what they want.
That's true, but presumably there should be mass desire for movement somewhere if we're fucking something up in a significant way and we just don't see it. Maybe the fuck up is universal, in which case we should question if it was ever solved to begin with and it's not just an ahistorical illusion glossing over the generic human experience. Or maybe it's the downside of a tradeoff where the upside is just too good, and the complaint is really just people wanting to have their cake and eat it too.
There's gotta be some explanation for why no one can get things right and also be a country that people want to be in.
There are some incel losers who would benefit from state mandated girlfriends, because they simply will not have girlfriends otherwise. But for me, and many non losers like me, we would lose out. Relationships are not all equal quality. Sure I guess we still have girlfriends and wives, but the central bureaucracy would never care to grant me what I have now with my wife, someone who I get along with extremely well. I'll get some average fuck who I hate being around.
Because after all, the point of central bureaucracy in general is to parasite off the winners in pursuit of "fairness". They will inevitably fuck it up, the same way that central bureaucracy economies fuck up their harvests and their central heating and everything else. It's the entire point, the loser parasites must feast off something.
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