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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 20, 2023

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Everyone knows that if you have that wonderful magical trad-wife who other than wearing a hijab at home; gets up in the morning before you without an alarm clock, cooks labor-intensive dishes for not only breakfast but also for your packed lunch, combs your hair for you, and presumably organizes a surprise birthday party for you

Not to be autistic on purpose, but I think it’s worth pointing out that this is basically a complete caricature of a traditional patriarchy. In fact, it’s fair to say that wifely duties/roles normally included breakfast preparation even in patriarchal societies only if the couple already had children, as they cannot be expected to prepare their on meals in the morning. (I’m pretty sure there was never a society where wives were expected to prepare warm meals for their childless husbands; certainly not labor-intensive ones.)

I'm from the East and its an extremely common discussion trope/meme among young females that there exists no worse reality than being sentenced to the kitchen after marriage, and there are more than enough heuristics (how good-looking the guy is) to figure out if a potential suitor would be the kind to do that. Men around my parts go to extreme lengths to hide any and all desire for such a thing, some even convincing themselves that, that isn't actually a great deal for them all things considered.

You seem to be saying that this is an example of a gender asymmetry in society, namely that young women are rather reluctant to accept traditional gender norms, but their male counterparts aren’t, supposedly?

You seem to be saying that this is an example of a gender asymmetry in society, namely that young women are rather reluctant to accept traditional gender norms, but their male counterparts aren’t, supposedly?

Yes. Even in non western countries, in the current year outside of maybe very rural areas, women don't find traditional gender roles much appealing at all. Universal culture has made significant headway, there is a stark difference between my parent's generation and my generation.

Even in non western countries, in the current year outside of maybe very rural areas, women don't find traditional gender roles much appealing at all.

But men do, you say?

Men for the most part are willing to mold into whatever women want.

That's not the issue here.

Do you think that young/single men, on average, find traditional gender roles more appealing than women, or not?

Part of traditional gender roles involves making personal sacrifices for the opposite gender. Women are effectively getting both the benefits of not having to perform their traditional gender role and the benefits of men still doing so, while men are getting both the downsides of making sacrifices for women in performing their gender role and lacking the benefits of women similarly sacrificing for them. Of course men find this arrangement less appealing than women.

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