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I know "gay ideology" is too narrow, but "anti-natalist" isn't complete either. They're just one strain of a broader selfish ideology.
The more you force an ideology, the more you create resistance. And conversion has limits. If it didn't, the ideology would be even more suicidal. If it changed int something else and rename itself, then it failed.
Churches are empty, but people aren't becoming woke either—they're becoming apathetic or hostile. Also, immigrants from traditional cultures often bring more conservative values than the native population. That strategy can backfire.
They are just one of many selfish ideologiesm and the more you force an ideology, the more you create resistance. The conversion strategy also has limits. If it didn't, it would be even more suicidal. Churches are empty but people aren't becoming woke either. They're becoming apathetic or hostile. Also, immigrants from traditional cultures often bring more conservative values than the native population. The "infinite migrants" strategy can backfire.
I meant that if elites have no fixed moral principles, they rule in their own interest, not the public's. That's essentially an oligarchy. LKY and Xiaoping followed utilitarian principles. Mandela used Ubuntu. Seretse Khama was guided by a strict opposition to corruption. You should already know that today's society believes in money and success as goals—while the happiest people in multiple studies are shown to be the ones who have the best relationships.
Childfree and antinatalist movements are two distinct things with very different vibes.
Childfree are proudly selfish folks, while antinatalists are self sacrificing Boddhisatvas, staying in this hellworld of pain and misery in order to preach their message and prevent future sentient being to be born and suffer.
One is mega consumerist lifestyle pushed Up To Eleven, problematic not only due to maximal carbon footprint while the other is rather more disturbing - well, would be if it was less cringe.
Anyway, the pro natalist movement one upped and overcame anti natalists in cringiness long ago.
Typical natalist discourse now looks like this:
ANTINATALIST: Life is pain and suffering, the best fate is to be never born, but only one out of million could get so lucky. Sad!
PRONATALIST: Yea, life is suffering and this gives it meaning, suffering is awesome! Think about thousands of generations of your ancestors who suffered horribly, so you could be born and suffer too! Be thankful for the gift of suffering and pass it to future generations, you do not want your ancestor's sacrifice be in vain!
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