Eetan
2mo ago
Well, the religious would argue that war, law enforcement and capital punishment are endorsed by the Bible, but euthanasia had no scriptural precedent, except perhaps case of Abimelech.
Eetan
2mo ago
why not some volunteer brigades.
There are already volunteer brigades, with no earth-shattering results.
And once the coffins sent back home start being Western Europeeans and Americans,
As long as in the coffins are professional mercenaries who signed for the job, no big deal.
Eetan
2mo ago
'the political structure founded after the War of Independence and the constitution's ratification'
Is long dead. US of 2020's has less in common with US of 1790's than USSR of 1980's had with Russian Empire of 1750's.
But if we define it as 'the Global American Empire's globohomo Deep State as it exists in 2024', the situation is pretty much the opposite.
Yes. The Elite Human Capital overwhelmingly supports GAE, both ideology(as far as we can talk about one) and practice.
Why shouldn't they? The system works for them, life of EHC is as good as it could be. Exact opposite of Soviet elite, who knew they were miserable beggars compared to their Western counterparts.
Open defections are so far rare. The peasants are getting more restive, but what can you expect from dumb rednecks.
This is more like USSR in 1930's, not in 1980's (of course, modern EHC is far from Bolshevik party hardened in revolution and civil war).
Eetan
2mo ago
The Party is means to the end, means to promote the Idea.
If you believe in the Idea and the Party fails, does it mean that the Idea were false and worthless? No, it means that it was weak, that it needs to be cleansed and purged from weaklings and traitors, or abolished and replaced with something better. If the masses reject the Idea, it means that they are dumb ignorant rednecks who need to be put in their place.
And the Elite Human Capital believers in Idea are as strong as ever before (it helps that modern Idea is rather incoherent grab bag of various contradictory things instead of perfectly logically consistent science of Marxism-Leninism).
Eetan
2mo ago
Since Iran could not protect its borders, yes Iranian borders do not matter.
When China starts openly sabotaging American military infrastructure and assassinating people on American soil with impunity, it would be clear that US superpower days are over and it is now just ordinary third world shithole country.
Eetan
2mo ago
There is none.
In 1980's, Soviet system was completely discredited among all classes and strata of population, the more educated the more so. There were not "true believers" anymore, there was no equivalent of people voluntarily defending the Party line (and professional agitators were despised by everyone, including themselves), no equivalent of people sincerely putting "in this house, we believe in the Party" signs.
It was age of universal distrust in any authority (mixed with credulous trust in astrologers, shamans, self proclaimed prophets, faith healers, UFO contactees etc...)
Eetan
3mo ago
I disagree. Wanting Trump dead is political. But a line has to be drawn somewhere, and you draw it here. I feel it's arbitrary.
Line where free speech ends and crime begins had been drawn, in US, as "incitement to imminent lawless action".
"Billy Bob deserves to be hanged" - free speech.
"Here lives Billy Bob, go and hang him!" - incitement.
Eetan
3mo ago
Not connected to any current culture war, but this dead bird thread is nevertheless interesting.
What is missing from nearly all HBDIQ discourse is how modern society is one big incomprehensible Kafkaesque prison for the left part of bell curve. Dealing with omnipresent bureaucracy and jumping through constantly changing hoops is hard for any of us here, who mostly can claim the title of elite human capital.
Now try to put yourself in the shoes of high school dropout, and imagine to deal with car or health insurance (or health care in general) or other things you need to live. And it is getting worse and worse, with no end in sight.
Eetan
3mo ago
How the heck does "procuring a shooter" even work? Much less the coordination or the concealment, but I'm still stuck at step 1. Like, if you're going to arrange an assassination, wouldn't you be relying on someone other than someone barely out of his teens, both to be successful as well as to not tell anyone?
If you are arranging a conspiracy, the man with rifle in book depository (or on roof of the building) is a patsy, his job is to be seen and leave a corpse, the real shooter is professional on grassy knoll (or first floor of the building). Of course, successful conspiracy requires successful marksmanship.
Eetan
3mo ago
"Practically speaking, you can’t adequately calculate the consequences of the assassination"
But you can study history. How many cases in history are there where successful hit at high value target worked as hitman intended (few) and made the world, from objective standpoint, a better place (much fewer) ?
Eetan
3mo ago
If you are really wealthy, you do not have to care how you appear to the plebs at all. The middle classes must care about their appearance, bums and billionaires are free.
Eetan
3mo ago
Yes, most outward marks of class vanished, but class remains. In classless society, there would be no such thing as luxury shops and luxury products.
What happened is that class is disguised. Your boss is not dressed in silks and adorned in gold any more, he does not demand you bowing and scraping before him any more. He looks equally shlubby as you, he shakes your hand and calls you by your first name, but is still your boss.
But I'm curious as to how and why we abandoned any effort to screen for class or presentation in these situations.
Clearly the lack of screening "works."
Clearly, modern capitalism works much better for the upper classes.
Remember, in trad sharply dressed society 100 years ago, lower class dissent and revolution was omnipresent threat. Massive strikes, riots and urprisings were commonplace, revolutionary parties demanding expropriation of the capitalists had mass support.
These things are unthinkable now, the rich are simultaneously richer than ever before, and more secure than ever before. No one in mainstream politics is any threat to them, and they know it.
I am not saying it is because lack of high fashion, but this can be part of the explanation of this mystery.
Eetan
3mo ago
The population decline in Middle Earth in Third Age is explicitly due to apocalyptic conditions - constant war, orc and other monster infestation and plagues spread by Sauron (the Shire is one of few places exempt from this general shithole state).
Not what OP intended.
Eetan
3mo ago
Classic example is planet Solaria in Asimov's universe.
This planet was underpopulated and declining not because some catastrophe, but unlimited affluence.
Originally, there were about 20,000 people living in vast estates individually or as married couples. There were thousands of robots for every Solarian. Almost all of the work and manufacturing was conducted by robots. The population was kept stable through strict birth and immigration controls. In the era of Robots and Empire, no more than five thousand Solarians were known to remain. Twenty thousand years later, the population was twelve hundred, with just one human per estate. Solarians hated physical contact with others and only communicated with each other via holograms.
Eetan
3mo ago
Can you explain more about this?
NAZI: We must return to our noble and glorious ancestors.
SCIENCE: Our ancestors were savage beasts, we must move forward.
NAZI: We need living space to provide food for our people.
SCIENCE: We barely started to use scientific methods of plant and animal breeding and we alredy improved crop and livestock yields manyfold over limits previously thought "natural" and "unbreakable".
NAZI: The lowly mob should not rule. We need Great Leader chosen by Destiny to unify our people.
SCIENCE: The mob indeed should not rule, and neither should any man alone. Relying on one man is single point of failure (especially when the man is drug addicted failed artist with no education), the best and the brightest need to be in charge.
NAZI: The Leader must command and everyone must obey without questions. There will be no place for such treason as criticism, especially criticism of The Leader.
SCIENCE: No one and nothing should be above criticism, free exchange of ideas among smart and educated people is necessary for progress and advancement. No one's word should be trusted all alone.
NAZI: War is glorious, war is noble, there is nothing greater than war. War considered awesome.
SCIENCE: War is pointless destruction of capital both physical and human - the best people die first and cannot be replaced. War was beneficial for human evolution during Stone Age, but these times are long gone. Especially in industrial age there is nothing more dysgenic than war.
War considered harmful.
NAZI: We need eugenics to purify our race from sickness and degeneracy.
SCIENCE: Yes, and we must start with hereditary psychopaths like you.
an information diet
No processed information sources, only raw conspiracies? ;-)
forbidden knowledge.
This knowledge was never "forbidden" or classified, just shared (not very loudly) only among professional community that could be trusted to keep it for themselves.
Not encouraging sign for the future.
1977 oopsie: hundreds of thousands dead
2019 oopsie: tens of millions dead
2061 oopsie: ???
edit: formatting
I suppose when it comes down to it I just want a maximum punishment for the spoken word.
"Nice business you have there, friend, it would be shame if it caught fire. Fortunately, you can easy prevent it for a reasonable price"
"I found some not so nice pictures of you, friend, it would be shame if your wife saw them. Fortunately, you can easy prevent it..."
Nothing than spoken word out here, no big deal, people talking like might be socially embarrassed, but no more than for whole week.
edit: bad typing
Eetan
3mo ago
And so I ask again: should those people support murdering him?
If they have only minimal foresight, they should not.
In situation where half of voters hate freedom and want strong man who will rule with iron fist, the democrats already screwed things as much as they could.
Redacting aspiring leader might be historically justifiable if the leader is truly great man with exceptional and irreplaceable skills. Otherwise, nothing will change, new strong man (there are always more candidates for this job) will rise up and step in the boots of his martyred precedessor.
Eetan
3mo ago
It’s just an incoherent question
It is coherent question with coherent answer.
"What is democracy?"
"Democracy is when we win!"
Eetan
3mo ago
The thing is, though, to get to full Nazi you need to be an anti-Zionist and a particular flavour of HBDer;
To get to full Nazi you need to believe in all sorts of superstitious mystic babble and stay away from all science, logic, facts and reason.
Real unironic hard core Hitler heiling Nazis are either barely literate tattooed thugs or deranged occultists.
Evolutionary HBDIQ science does not lead to NSDAP politics, it leads to old time Swedish social democratic politics.
Eetan
3mo ago
AI waifus of the future will be American
If the A is really I, it will be its own thing. Thing you could comprehend as much as cavalry horse can comprehend the cause "his army" is fighting for.
Eetan
3mo ago
I would say that being uninterested in JQ is quite a condemnation of intelligence – or maybe just social intelligence – of anyone who is so uninterested in JQ, because obviously Jews as the sample of humanity with the highest effective raw intelligence
Obviously, not "Jews" but Ashkenazi Jews.
Other kinds of Jews are as interesting and as world historically important as Alawites, Copts, Maronites, Mandeans or Yazidis but Ashkenazi are indeed sui generis group.
Descendants of few hundred Middle Eastern merchants and Italian women (presumably from merchant families too) who wandered around Europe until they found home on deadly desert planet in the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, where the nobles needed managers for their estates willing to squeeze the peasants as hard as humanly possible. The rest is history.
which is abundantly claimed and demonstrated from the kids' television with that silly Einstein photo, to surnames in 20th century history textbooks and billions still affected by "Marxism", to creative products consumed every day to the grave
If billions are affected by Marxism, it is by its lingering memory, classical Marxism is as dead as Pharaoh's worship (together with Freudianism and other high IQ fads of the past), but in its heyday it was indeed world changing force.
How would world look like without Askhenazi Jews? In broad strokes, not so different. The scientific, commercial, agricultural, industrial, intellectual and political revolutions that created modernity happened with minimal Jewish influence. Old feudal and monarchic systems undid themselves, no "subversion" was necessary.
In smaller strokes, you can make any alternate timeline you wish. Maybe world of sunny smiley face Russia :-)
There are other interesting people – SMPY sample, Thiel fellowship, Jains, Parsis, Tamil Brahmins, AGP transsexuals, Furries, IMO winners etc. – but one can be forgiven for being ignorant of their properties. Nobody is ignorant of Jews, they've made that impossible.
Another interesting subgroup that recently appeared: if @KulakRevolt report is representative, Free State libertarians, who are actually doing something to promote cause of liberty, including breeding new generation of liberty lovers.
Eetan
3mo ago
If it was about secret bioweapon research in order to DOMINATE THE WORLD, this whole ordeal would have at least some grim tragic dignity.
It is not. It is science working as intended, scientists working on their publications, grinding up their citation scores and metrics.
All in the open and still going on. Few thousands at most are playing Russian roulette with the whole human race, for some shitty papers no one will ever read.
AND HUMAN RACE IS FINE WITH IT.
Yes, I share your blackpill.
On the other hand, this situation had been going for a long time. Remember 1977 flu when 20 year old virus strain suddenly appeared somewhere in Northern China, spread all over the world and carried away few hundred thousands nobodies?
It was clear to the professional virologist community what was going on, but they kept ther silence in proper spirit of omerta both in West and East. Admirable devotion.
Eetan
3mo ago
E Michael Jones is Catholic who believes that all problems caused by Jews (and anyone else) result from rejection of Jesus. Squishy by hard racist and antisemitic standards.
For academic, scientific HBD case for antisemitism, Kevin MacDonald is the author to check out.
Of course, this theory of Jewish "revolutionary subversion" as "evolutionary strategy" is easily disproven by pointing that this strategy clearly failed, that the revolutionary Jews are going extinct both by low birth rate (revolutionary needs to be focused all the time and cannot be distracted by babies yelling and screaming), high death rate (revolution is rather dangerous business) and free mixing with gentiles, while the Jews who stay exclusive and are breeding in large numbers are as unrevolutionary as possible.
Always had been.
Church Latin is not language spoken of streets of first and second century Rome. It is much older, it is formal ritual religious language used in Roman worship long before Christianity.
Christians saw no problem in appropriating this pagan language to worship Christ, just as later, when they had power to do it, eagerly reused old pagan temples as churches.
See work of Christine Mohrmann
Of course, this is historical detail you will learn only on obscure traditional Catholic places, because it torpedoes the whole purpose of Second Vatican council. The liturgy was never meant to be "vernacular", comprehensible to the ordinary plebs.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150912021156/http://liturgicalnotes.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/mohrmann-1.html
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