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I recently used Copilot for a work task and it worked well, it gave me what I wanted (and indeed included a couple of points I had been thinking about but didn't tell it).
So that was good. But it was too good, because it incorporated stuff I had not directly linked or directed it to use. So now I'm even more suspicious of how much data the big corps are scraping from us and connecting all the little dots from the tasks we do and the information we upload every day. Butlerian Jihad when?
As for the story, yes. It reads like a parody of the kind of writing that wins such awards (or indeed the most recent Hugos. Put a bit of a SF/Fantasy spin on that story (like "The Water That Falls On You From Nowhere" about a second-generation Chinese gay guy worrying about coming out to his conservative parents), submit it for the Hugos, and it stands a damn good chance of winning). Before AI, you'd have to mug up all the winners in the favoured "quaint natives regaling us with their curious primitive folkways" style by yourself, now the AI will do it for you!
It's not even a particularly good story, it goes nowhere in the end, and while reading it I kept being reminded of Stephen King's "Dolores Claiborne" where the title character decides to get rid of her alcoholic, abusive husband by arranging for him to fall down an old well. Maybe that too was the inspiration for our author?
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