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It seems to me that your chief complaint is that I'm too secure in my masculinity. Uh, what am I supposed to be doing about that? No, seriously. I have few qualms about hanging out with gay people or in gay spaces, or both at the same time, because I genuinely don't particularly care how that comes across. It's clearly not affecting anything IRL. God knows most women would prefer their would be husbands be more like gay men in some regards, as long as they don't actually sleep with other men.
.... Fellas? Is it gay to kiss your homies goodnight? Oh, only if you use tongue?
I don't really care that a drunk dude, in a gay bar, pinched my ass. I laughed and waved him off. If he'd gone further, I would have made it very clear that his approaches were unwelcome. If he still kept it up, his nose might have a quick date and breakup with my fist. It's never gone that far, because gay men aren't barbarians. A polite "very kind of you to like me, but you're wasting your time" is usually met with laughs and/or apologies.
Some straight men would be more physical and angry about things, but you wouldn't catch them in gay spaces either.
And now, if you're postulating that this is some kind of weird fetish? All I can do is sigh and turn off my phone. Or just go to sleep, because I need the alarm in the morning.
I don't think anyone has started taking testosterone while I wasn't looking.
I agree, but I'm not talking about how it comes across. I'm saying it actually is a little gay. I don't really care about people's sexual preferences, but I just wanted to point this out for the sake of telling the truth. In the same way I'd point out if someone who claims to totally hate fish kept adding having a little salmon every weekend to shake things up (and I choose this analogy because it is similarly trivial and silly)
You're conflating the thing where people (either as a joke, or for activist reasons) read a homoerotic subtext into normal male bonding activities. This (getting ass pinched by a gay man) is overtly homosexual.
"Weird fetish" is overly judgemental, I just meant this sounds like an expression of an unusual sexual desire you hold (in this particular case: same-sex attraction)
No I meant - having a girlfriend is something that would stop you from having sexual contact with men if you desired it.
Like, the actual object level here (the extent to which you are a homosexual) really doesn't matter, but I'm pushing it because there's seems to be a pattern in these sorts of politically incorrect spaces where people claim that [gay thing] is in fact not gay (the standard one being the claim that wanting to top feminine men is heterosexual), and it always feels a little unserious.
I think it's kind of funny to insist on it (I always snigger a little), but this is a space for truth-seeking. It's bad enough when people have genuine disagreements about objective reality, but "traps aren't gay"-style discourse just pointlessly pollutes the epistemic commons.
All I care about is the object level question.
A man can wear pink, listen to Lana Del Ray, and paint his nails while not being gay, if he does not have sex with men given the opportunity, and declines to report any such desire.
I don't wear pink, I don't listen to LDR, and I remain straight. I also think traps are hella gay. You are free to accept or deny this, of course. But you sought truth, and there it is.
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