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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 3, 2026

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Aren't your homosexual experiences and perspectives innately 'alien' to the mainstream?

Yes of course, which is why I don't bother to vote and have never wanted to reproduce. I know I am a weird inconsequential homosexual and have no intention of stacking the future beyond my lifespan in my own favor. I'm not here to push my unique experiences on anyone else but think I can at least try to shed some light on things that other people wouldn't know about, especially on the eve of some autistic LLM devouring only the most pristinely sanewashed propaganda on the surface web and crystallizing it as the baseline truth of AI for the rest of eternity. I am just pissing into the void but I'd at least like to get some people wet before I go.

I don't think you should be trying to make an argument about nature and authenticity and true motivations when you have a distinctly unusual perspective.

Well, to some degree, everyone has a distinctly unusual perspective. None of us are the same or experience the same things. Identical twins don't even have identical experiences of the world.

It's certainly interesting and novel to read, I think it's good to have some unpredictable theoretical essays here.

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

You can't reproduce with some murderer's manlier brother. You're a gay man and I think you're unlike women on some massive multi-dimensional axis

Sure, I am not confident in my assessment of this. I would love to know which of these two men women would choose to mate with on a desert island. I suspect it's DJ, even though Aaron is prettier, and I imagine most women would agree. I tried to flush out why I believe my intuition about male hierarchy is the same as the female intuition about male reproductive fitness in my post but don't know if I was effective.

Well if the AIs fulfill their promise they should be capable of working out what's Actually Going On and break through whatever lying we do today.

Nah they're trained only on lies and good intentions, they'll never reach escape velocity and will just dole out leftist propaganda until everybody but Shawanda Corbett has been turned into paperclips

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