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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 27, 2023

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I've been seeing media reports (1) about ISPs asking for companies (especially companies that use a lot of bandwidth like Netflix) to pay for network infrastructure. A quick google led me to a number of articles (2,3,{1}) that read something like:

"Large corporate bandwidth user resists efforts by ISPs or governments to make them pay for bandwidth use" (this is a little bit flippant, but isn't all that far from the truth).

My intuitive response is that users of bandwidth should pay for it, including large companies. This seems fairly straightforward, right?

Another article (4) mentioned that "net neutrality" is the idea that prevents ISPs from charging their customers. How is this defensible?

Another quick google leads me to this article (5) which mentions that one advantage of net neutrality is freedom of speech (which the modal mottizen might be inclined to support), but this goes against the straightforward argument that customers (e.g., Netflix) of a service (network infra providers) should pay for it. What gives?

Sources:

  1. This week (mar-2023): https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/03/netflix-fights-attempt-to-make-streaming-firms-pay-for-isp-network-upgrades/

  2. More than a year ago (sep-2022): https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/09/google-fights-latest-attempt-to-have-big-tech-pay-for-isps-network-upgrades/

  3. More than 10 years ago (feb-2011): https://www.osnews.com/story/24357/internet-infrastructure-who-should-pay/

  4. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/who-pays-internet-infrastructure-simon-dillsworth/

  5. https://www.itpro.com/strategy/28115/the-pros-and-cons-of-net-neutrality

I hadn't heard about this argument in a while and the comments on your first link reminded me why: Comcast won in the US and got Netflix to pay them money because the US regulators failed to do anything about it. In addition to the double-dipping argument mentioned by another reply, it's important to highlight all of these costs are entirely artificial. Everyone could save a lot of money by the ISPs not refusing to rent space in their datacenters to Netflix, since Netflix's service actually requires almost zero Internet bandwidth due to nearly all of their bandwidth being them sending the exact same data to multiple customers, so more local caches improve their efficiency a lot. Comcast (and other ISPs with their own TV/video interests) is artificially greatly increasing the amount of Internet bandwidth Netflix needs because their parent company owns competitors to Netflix.

In addition to the double-dipping argument mentioned by another reply, it's important to highlight all of these costs are entirely artificial.

The economics of internet infrastructure are weird. Companies at the core (Tier 1) don't pay for connectivity to each other at all. They get paid by Tier 2 and 3 networks that can't summon the requisite connections and data flow to qualify.

Honestly, the fact that a decentralized Internet with global connectivity to almost everyone works is quite the technical and political feat.

But yes the fact that Comcast, part owner of competitor Hulu and cable TV operator, can do this is probably a tad disappointing.

The economics of internet infrastructure are weird.

Yeah, which is why I'm not entirely sure if Netflix or Comcast is right on the "double-dipping" claim.