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I'll preface this by saying I do not know the details of whatever dumb things Karl said a few weeks ago. Other than what you posted below.
I believe Karl suffers from a simple and severe case of contrarianism. Karl is or has attended Church of Satan stuff, and the Church of Satan is filled with contrarians, skeptics, rebels, and cynics. Out in the world, a contrarian can be satisfied as a supporter of guns rights. There's a litany of false beliefs and memes surrounding firearms to feel sufficiently superior to the masses when it comes to firearm discussion, the Second Amendment, etc.
On the internet, especially in the "guntuber" scene, it's not enough for an uber contrarian to be satisifed as A Gun Guy. The gun guys can be said to be pretty similar to one another. They are freedom loving, right coded, proud rural Americans. To satisfy uber contrarian desires, one must go against the grain. It's the culture he has to set him self apart from as a transgressive guy.
A few years ago Karl would appear to be a principled libertarian or anarchist with libertarian streak. Maybe he always had some edgy takes, but what he shared were principles that could be considered advice-- no matter political leanings. A healthy skepticism of authority and the Feds, high value on self-sufficiency, personal responsibility, and safety/security. Now, he's a culture warrior. It might be the youtube version of audience capture, or it might be a natural progression with Karl filling a niche in the market. These days there is more demand for self-declared leftist/left of center gun enthusiast types. It's the culture war stuff that fills the gaps and allows him to stand out.
I suspect Ian saw this coming years ago. Whatever falling out they had over InRange business wise (afaik they are still friends) I am confident it was around Ian's basic "minimize political stuff, keep it professional" policy that has allowed Ian's brand to explode. They made some entertaining content together, but without Ian to check Karl's excesses he's gone a little kooky.
They were friendly until the most recent drama. Nwallins glossed over it, perhaps for the better as the details are buried in long forum threads and private Discord servers. Both previously maintained the story that Ian was too busy with his own channel, so Karl took over InRange in a mutually amicable split and the there was no bad blood between them. However, when Brownells decided to back out of their deal, they put their remaining stock of WWSD rifles on liquidation sale, and Ian promoted it on his social media. He all but confirmed this was him choosing a side, stating that he wants to continue working with Brownells in the future. For this, Karl called Ian a backstabber and a coward.
I've been following these men for many years, and when this exploded a weeks ago I was pretty torn up. I imagine it was like witnessing the break-up of the Beatles.
Damn, that's what that sale was about? I saw the YT Community post about the sale, didn't know there was a deeper context.
Man, y'know, I actually saw the two of them together at a local gun show like a couple years ago.
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