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There are 169,000 Somalians according to Wikipedia. Basically all of them live in Blue Areas the vast majority in Minnesota. Opposing a policy that would help a ton of Republican families encourage the birthrate and family formation. Because it would help the 0.0005% of America that is Somali is just cutting your nose off to spite you face. I never said we should have more of them or that they'd be net taxpayers or that integration hasn't failed. Just opposing a policy that's great for tens of millions of conservatives because it might help the Somalis is just asinine.
You'll never get gibs for Republicans if you can't pass any because the Somalis might get some. And also them being married and having families is better than them not doing that. Marriage has a civilizing influence on young me.
Bush got a majority of Muslim votes the first time. Family values and all.
As of 2024 census numbers (American Community Survey 1 year estimates) there are 259,694 people in the US who identified as Somalians, already a 60% jump from your outdated number. This is 0.076%, not 0.0005%.
So even though only roughly one in 1300 people in the United States is Somalia, they've already done a lot of damage in Minnesota. Extremely toxic groups are like that.
Too good to check, and likely untrue, but let's assume it is. The problem is that, bizarrely, after September 11 we opened up the floodgates to Islamic immigration. The Muslim population has roughly tripled since then. And they are consistently one of the furthest left groups.
At only 2% of the U.S. population, they're still too small to care about right? Except that the call to prayer is being blasted from mosques in Dearborn and the Democratic Party is now nominating Senate candidates who think the U.S. deserved 9/11.
The time to stop these problems is when they're still "too small to care about" and before they transition to "too big to stop".
Side note: Wikipedia quality has really plummeted over the last decade. I recommend just skipping it and going right to AI which can pull data directly from the original sources.
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