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You're getting a lot of push back, rightfully so, on grounds that you almost certainly support Democratic party actions that similarly raid the public purse for their preferred spoils. And sure, complaining about when the other guy does it is as gay as the day is long, but it appears an observable truth to me that such mere complaining in this form has not been beneficial for either side. Nor are the discussions that tend to follow, as they mostly descend into finger-pointing.
I don't know that I've entirely given up on finding a true solution, and perhaps there are others, but let me suggest that there might be one. The core problem is a credible commitment problem. Both sides see each other complain when they're out of power, but cannot believe that they will commit to not doing likewise once they regain power. If FC's particular brand of doomerism is not controlling (and it might be), then perhaps the most suitable tool in our Constitutional Republic for the task would be a Constitutional amendment.
So draft a suitable amendment. Provide a text. Argue convincingly that this draft text, if adopted, will actually constrain Democrats when they're in power as well as Republicans (this will be a hard task). Show that you can garner enough Democratic votes (in Congress and the States) to adopt an amendment that will almost certainly gore many future Democratic party oxen as well. Honestly, you will probably have to gore some current Democratic party oxen, too. Do some productive herethetics and show that if you split the issue differently, there can be more people on the side of, "Both of these parties need to knock it the hell off," than on the side of, "We'll gleefully do it for our team and constantly complain when it's their team." I'm personally happy to be on the side of, "Both of these parties need to knock it the hell off," but I probably doubt that you are. So just show me a draft text to make it apparent which group you're in.
If you find this unpalatable and cannot bring yourself to credibly commit to goring enough Democratic party oxen in the process, then the answers to most of your questions become readily apparent. The same goes for the other side.
Perhaps you could write it such that "balanced budgets shall not be infringed." That ought to keep things in-line.
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I've said probably dozens of times at this point here that I am a reaganite libertarian, not a big government progressive. There are more viewpoints than the two mainstream ones of being a sheeple following the political waves of whatever one's favorite culture war party shifts towards.
There is no shortage of content criticizing the Democrats for this sort of nonsense, the Republican party used to be one of the biggest critics of socialism and free money handouts! Now it's not, and us critics are few.
Could you link your criticism of the Inflation Reduction Act?
Can you explain back to me why I may be asking for that link?
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Yes. This would be good. This should also be done for fixing the Supreme Court at 9 justices (with 18 year terms for new justices if necessary). There's a lot the Democrat Party could do here to restore trust.
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