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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 28, 2026

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Null posted the state of Kiwi Farms for October. Tl;dr if anybody cares: technical and legal threats appear manageable, but the forum is as thoroughly unpersoned by any platform from Wikipedia to X to search engines as possible.

But what caught my attention is an aside in the section about censorship:

I have had discussions with Claude where, in seeking information about network infrastructure, Claude has deduced based only on relative information, that I am seeking to help the Kiwi Farms in some way and therefore it would refuse to continue the discussion. Our situation is so unique that through 20 questions a chatbot can figure out what particular site is seeking an ISP. No other US-legal website in existence enjoys this kind of blanket ban.

Null focuses on the other aspects of the situation, but what makes me feel defeated and hopeless is it would refuse to continue the discussion—hey guys, are you still afraid of mujahideen in a cave cooking mega-ebola? When the model proactively investigates to prevent giving network infrastructure advice to an autistic wrong-thinker?

"The [unaligned] AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made out of atoms which it can use for something else." The aligned certainly does.

But to make myself clear, joining the luddites is unthinkable.

?? Kiwi farms is returned easily by google.

He claims otherwise.

Before 2020, we experienced about double the user count in growth every year. This was likely due to discoverability. You searched "Amberlynn" and found the Kiwi Farms. This no longer happens. Modern search is now just chatbots, which refuse to link the Kiwi Farms. If you try to ask Gemini about the forum, you will get evasive answers. The contextual linking for search will not include links to the Kiwi Farms, despite the Kiwi Farms being used in training data according to research documents.

If you try searching for people like Amberlynn Reid, you will never find the forum in results. If you search even directly for the Kiwi Farms, you will never find the forum in results.

YouTube and Google will never suggest any query containing "Kiwi Farms", including agricultural terms. kiwifarms.st is on page 3 for the term Kiwi Farms.

Users in the thread relay mixed results.

I get a link to KF on the first page of Google in a clean profile when searching for "dsp pignosis -youtube", FWIW. A few other queries also return results in the first few pages. I'm aware that I'm quibbling over details and the overall conclusion remains the same—AI will eat everything, and will set a much more censorious baseline than the relatively open web search did.

I just Googled "Kiwi Farms Direct Link" and got this answer, which is the closest thing to the Clear Net Linking to the Farms we got

[screenshot showing the Gemini summary giving links to the .st and .is domains]

Google, for me, in incognito mode and using NordVPN, has sneed.kiwifarms.st showing up as the 17th result, on the second page. The @kiwifarmsdotnet xitter account is #18.

DuckDuckGo is still willing to link to the Farms, at least when the site's name is mentioned explicitly. DDG's search results provider is Google, which suggests some active censorship on Google's end as the ghost of Elliot refuses to leave his former employer. Searching for Elliot + Kiwi Farms on Tor (defaults, no account or user preferences) brings up the Farms twice on the first page and 4 of the first 6 results are detractor perspectives of him.

Even without adding Kiwi Farms to the search term, one of the top results mentions the Farms by name.

I think we're doing fine.

Google first two pages is all articles and blogs maligning the farms, with an ai summary at the top telling you how terribad no good evil kiwi farms and Joshua Moon are.

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