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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 6, 2023

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For your statistical evidence, there have been many implausible precinct analyses done.

Circumstantial evidence includes things such as the GPS data highlighted in 1000 mules, the fake broken pipe in GA, etc

Motive evidence is pretty obvious, everyone wants their way to win.

Means/opportunity includes things such as the Maricopa county report that indicates there was almost no real control over chain of custody over ballots in the county.

Circumstantial evidence includes things such as the GPS data highlighted in 1000 mules

What's your best explanation for why True The Vote (the primary source for 2000 Mules's data) refused to hand over their evidence to law enforcement, and lied about working with the FBI?? I certainly have a theory.

TTV did not provide any evidence of ballot stuffing, to include videos showing ballot stuffing; they did not provide any evidence or confirmation there were ballot boxes at the locations said to be drop boxes, and they did not provide any information that would identify the owners/holders of the mobile devices. Agents asked Ms. Engelbrecht and Mr. Phillips for the information to support their assertions and allow us to review it. They provided agents with a 3 page hypothesis of what they believe could have been election fraud, but there was no supporting documentation or evidence to support their hypothesis. TTV also alleged they had identified 243 individuals who were committing ballot stuffing in Arizona. TTV also stated they had identified the location of “stash houses” were ballots were being stored/collected. They promised they would provide the information to us, but to this point, they have not done so despite repeated requests to do so from our office.

Agents made several attempts to obtain the information TTV claimed to have in their possession, especially, information of a ballot harvesters in Arizona. There is a trail of correspondence requesting the information. In that correspondence, TTV acknowledged they had not provided the information to us, but it would be forthcoming. Agents reached out to Ms. Engelbrecht, Mr. Phillips, and TTV representative Mr. Cole in an effort to obtain the data they said was in their possession. TTV offered to provide the information to us via another meeting with our staff. We met with TTV and they did not provide the information. TTV has not responded to emails and voicemails requesting the information, nor has delivery been accepted for the registered letter sent to the address given for their office.

In addition to saying they’ve provided the information to us and a hard drive containing, TTV says they gave the information to the FBI’s Phoenix office, while also saying they were informants for the FBI office. Having never provided the information to us as promised, TTV said we should contact the FBI to obtain copies of the information they had provided to them. Checking with the Phoenix FBI office, they tell us they met with TTV but they never received any such information from TTV. TTV also reported giving the information to the San Antonio office of the FBI; we have not been able to verify this assertion. The Phoenix office says Ms. Engelbrecht and Mr. Phillips are not informants for the FBI; they also said they were told by both of them they had provided the information to our office. This is patently false.

Because its circumstantial evidence and in all these cases transparency is never rewarded for conservative organizations. By sharing the data they'd be accused of making specific allegations against specific individuals which would then be construed as defamation by the courts because thats defamation when conservatives do it.

Do you believe that it's just too implausible to think TTV avoided providing evidence to law enforcement because...they lied about ever having any? You do realize that your explanation is just replaying the dragon in my garage story of excuses almost beat by beat. If that doesn't interest you, I also have an old family recipe for steamed hams.

It is entirely plausible they lied. I don't think that it makes much sense though from the POV that others could have replicated the GPS data and said it was false. There are dozens of motivated orgs that could have done that including multiple government agencies. A major issue I have with your position is akin to the position I have with race-IQ gap deniers: You gain incredible prestige and money for refuting it fully. Instead you just deny it vaguely. You have to look at where incentives are. They are open and obvious. If I could conduct a Wunderlicht that said black IQ is 101 and white is 99 I'd become a multimillionaire and tenured Yale professor. If you showed that dropboxes were totally not stuffed you'd be in a similar position in a different space.

I don't think that it makes much sense though from the POV that others could have replicated the GPS data and said it was false.

The geolocation data doesn't need to be false for TTV to be lying about its salience. The dozens of motivated orgs you reference did try to investigate the allegations and they didn't find anything worth pursuing. I seriously have no idea what the parallel to the race IQ debate you're making is, but I agree with this:

You have to look at where incentives are.

TTV financially depends on a credulous audience to make their money. This audience will only pay attention if the story TTV is hyping up is kept on life support. Since TTV is lying about the evidence it has, they would be conclusively outed as frauds if they show it to law enforcement. Since their interest is in continuing to make content for a gullible audience, they have an anti-interest in helping law enforcement. TTV then either make up excuses for being cagey or just lie out right about helping law enforcement when they didn't. Their audience is already self-selected for gullibility, so TTV's excuses maintain some currency where it matters.

TTV financially depends on a credulous audience to make their money. This audience will only pay attention if the story TTV is hyping up is kept on life support.

This effect is tiny compared to the financial incentives to destroy TTV.

TTV nevertheless decided to go public by releasing a widely-publicized documentary, despite acting as if assisting law enforcement is just a step too far. Their behavior makes perfect sense when you realize only the former makes them money.

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