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That's not quite the own you think it is. Or you might just be conversing with too dull of a people. When my conversant plays dumb with a concept/memeplex they would be usually advancing I just flip the script on them and say "well If you don't know what it is, then it must not be that important, lets disregard the people who care about it"
This doesn't work, because in this judo situation you brought it up. I win if it never comes up, you lose if you mention it.
This is the blow through conversation path, where I get to say that you don't actually believe anything and blah blah etcetra.
There really is no winning move in this situation, because the memeplex is too lefty for you to escape. Eg, you can do the Walsh bit, then I deploy the Chair::Horse attack and laugh at you.
None of this means anything, of course, but it does lower your status to the audience. 's why guys like Shapiro and Walsh and every other (competent) populist right figure are so carful about never being interviewed or debating on anything but a friendly platform; and it's why Trump is so effective. He actually has the complete lack of belief in anything to blow through a god damn bank vault.
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