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A few things that I think contribute but aren't the main causes:
People lose their social circles a lot more, first when going to high school, then going to college, then moving for jobs. I think that makes it harder to find a spouse.
A trend of long term dating without getting married. I see a lot of couples move in together and live like that for 5 years or more without ever getting engaged. IME one of them thinks (or copes) that they're basically married but one day they just get dumped because, after all, neither of them made any sort of commitment. If a woman does this twice starting in her early twenties then her child bearing years are pretty much gone.
The delusion that if you wait around long enough the perfect spouse will drop into your lap. In reality, finding a good husband or wife is like finding a good job or getting into a good college. You should work at it and put yourself out there and make it a priority from a young age. I think people in the past had a more business like view of marriage that was healthier and more realistic than our modern ideas.
Yeah. A lot of that is about things like being attractive (Princeton sociologist Catherine Hakim's erotic capital theory) and actually having social capital - not being isolated as all hell.
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