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Culture War Roundup for the week of April 24, 2023

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Proportionally, do Trans women have greater visibility in the Open Source ecosystem as compared to Cis Women?

This is anecdotal, but I've often noticed that, I read a technical blog post by someone, end up following them, find that they are women (pronouns/name) and later find that they are trans.

At this point almost all women whose technical blogs I follow are Trans. So, this makes me wonder, are Cis women Software Engineers just not interested in Open Source or writing blogs? If there is some sort of discrimination involved then it should also effect Trans women since they are just another username on the screen, just like everyone else. In fact they may even face more discrimination than Cis women.

This very much looks like something progressives should be up in the arms about since Identarian politics and equality of outcome is very much their thing. But you only have strategic silence.

I think this is potentially evidence against the blank slatism that says systemic discrimination is the only possible reason for the lack of female representation in certain occupations. One issue you could poke in this argument is that Trans women were socialized as male, but I think all the young boys who are being socialized as girls today will soon prove them wrong.

I don't think my CS domain interests are too niche. They mostly lean towards Systems, Security, Programming languages (Go, Rust, C++, ...). I source technical content on these topics from HN, lobste.rs and some subreddits which themselves are not overly niche platforms in the Software industry. So I think there is something to think about here.

OR I am just falling prey to some sort of Sampling bias and the argument above is garbage.


Having said all this, I actually think a 50/50 gender distribution typically helps in creating a healthier work atmosphere, mitigating the worst excesses of either gender. Male dominated work environments can run you ragged and be outright abusive when under a lot of competition.

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But, I do not see any way to achieve this due to the asymmetry in the distribution of interest. When taken to its logical conclusion, average expendable (male) Software Engineers like me will be left hanging out to dry unlike average or below average women. And it galls me when my concerns get gaslighted as incompetent men who cannot handle the competition.

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I have made the same observation as you. It seems to be a natural consequence of the sort of life outlook where you strive for mastery in some niche domain because this is the only way you are aware of to attain any worth as an individual (alt: where you strive for having something you can respond to "who are you and why should I care?" with that will make people not walk away before you even finish your sentence) being overwhelmingly a male thing. Western feminism has made no effort and shown no interest in changing this, since to do so you would need to either tell women that in their default state of being they are (also) worthless garbage (which not only seems intrinsically mean and oppressive but is also messaging that men will feel incentivised to personally subvert) or convince men that they have intrinsic worth (which a subset of men will never buy unless society puts its money where its mouth is and gives them a government-assigned gf). I think in this context it's not surprising that the Eastern Bloc (hardly a paragon of modern outlook on gender dynamics) anecdotally tends to produce successful women scientists at a higher rate than usual: between life when you do not have potato and the extremely skewed gender ratios, it's one of the settings where as a woman you can actually plausibly come to believe that you are worthless unless you take concrete action to not be.

Regarding MtF transitioners, I would guess that if the transition happened late enough in life they will have retained the "worthless by default" view (but perhaps this just is what you would call "male socialisation"), and in fact the transition itself is probably at least in part an effort to attain worth. The question of whether childhood transitioners will follow the male or the female rate here is quite interesting, though my intuition is that it would actually be the female one - belief in your own cosmic worthlessness seems too complex and unevenly distributed a trait to be biologically hardwired, and if anything trans children probably receive an extra serving of "you're unique and precious" messaging.

Do you think a normie would be impressed if they asked “who are you and why should I care” and the person answered they got 2k GitHub stars on their Rust tokenisation library? I personally don’t see how becoming the master of an incredibly niche and nerdy domain that no one cares about would be motivated by the desire not to be worthless. It would explain high-status jobs like doctor, lawyer, stock broker, etc.

I think it’s more explainable by the rates of autism in trans women. Autistic people tend to be deeply obsessive from a young age and aren’t motivated by social reasons or even a sense of cosmic worthlessness - some autistic fixations are absurdly pointless. Also, programming has an immediate, intrinsically rewarding feedback loop that can be pursued entirely solitarily, and the people in it famously don’t care about fitting into social norms (if you’re a good programmer, you’ll get a job even if you’re an awkward nerd, a furry, or a trans woman).

I’m an autistic transwoman and I spent most of my childhood in obsessive fantasy worlds - programming appealed to me because it was inherently “depersonalising” - I could get lost in code and forget about who I was, and it didn’t matter to other people as well. If anything, I’m motivated by the opposite of status-seeking.

Before that I was an artist and a writer and similarly enjoyed the deep work aspect, but in today’s shamelessly self promoting world you can’t really have art speak for itself anymore, it’s all about the story and the creator behind it. And I got far more appreciation from other people by doing artistic works, than by working alone on weird technical projects that I don’t even share with anybody.

To some extent, yes, if the answer is framed as "open source developer"; however, whether a real person would appreciate it is not even the right question, as I think that in reality any questioning is directed inward (perhaps I should have worded it as "who am I? Why should anyone care?").

I don't buy the autism story, unless you use the Tumblr definition of autism (obsessive interest plus divergence from mainstream sensitivities?) which would make the statement almost tautological. The m:f ratio of clinically relevant autism is cited as something like 3~4:1, but the m:f ratio of "tech personalities with loud public presence" is far in excess of that (even the m:f ratio of "female-identifying (....)", which this thread is about, seems to be). Among the mtf tech people I know (and I know quite about 3 in person, two of them well), none strike me as obviously autistic, and the two I said I know well actually were what I would describe as alpha nerds with above-average smoothness and social intelligence, though there's obviously a more complex selection effect there.

The m:f ratio of clinically relevant autism is cited as something like 3~4:1

Autism is more prevalent among trans people, by a factor of about 4:1 on top of that.

Among the mtf tech people I know (and I know quite about 3 in person, two of them well), none strike me as obviously autistic, and the two I said I know well actually were what I would describe as alpha nerds with above-average smoothness and social intelligence, though there's obviously a more complex selection effect there.

"Obviously autistic" doesn't necessarily mean much, since autistic people without cognitive disabilities tend to have learned ways to compensate for or hide the things that would normally make their autism obvious ("masking") by the time they reach adulthood.

Did you know either of those people before they transitioned? Because one of the things I noticed, as an autistic trans woman myself, was that estrogen makes it a lot easier to understand and care about what other people are thinking. So I wonder if maybe they were just so competent at masking already that adding hormones pushed them into "above-average social intelligence" territory.