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Culture War Roundup for the week of May 1, 2023

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Now imagine the kind of destruction that could be unleashed if a disgruntled individual had unfettered access to an ASI.

I don't buy that it works like that. It's a Shin Sekai Yori world model; but intelligence per se is not psychic energy. It's only a superpower when it's in a class of its own, when you can intimidate philistines around you, grab actual energy resources from under their noses; go to college (which Yud did not) and see how well that works. A smart person can come up with a great plan but a number of dumber people can spoil it; an ASI can invent some shitty superhack but that only works if there are no sub-ASIs and awareness of potential ASI attackers. All of this fear relies on FOOM, nanobots that cannot be stopped, superviruses from kitchen dirt that cannot be filtered, and other pretty magical assumptions that really amount to there definitely emerging a Singleton who meditates on his navel, Yud-style, and gets a colossal head start. We don't seem to be in that timeline, and it's exactly the proliferation of AIs that keeps us away from it. Basically @Dean gets it right here.

The only way for the transhuman collective to defend themselves against this inevitability is with strict regulation.

Shin Sekai Yori world model again. Read Diamond Age for a more interesting alternative.

maybe undergoing such modification will be a precondition of being granted access to the ASI or other transhuman enhancements (although at that point, the governing body is already starting to sound more cult-like)

I'm pretty positive that general intelligence in some true sense will be fully commoditized in a few iterations of AI tech, LLMs to self-stabilizing exploratory agents to some safe AIXI approximation, with every peasant getting a powerful Oracle to use; and we'll run into the limits of economies of scale that make DIY production of computronium an insignificant factor.

To an extent that there remain disruptive enhancements in a mature transhuman world, they will be hard to reproduce locally, and market will figure this out early on, probably with simple tools like insurance costs conditional on assessments, I think.

Eventually, someone's galactic paperclip farm is going to have some rather unpleasant effects on the earth

I'm also pretty sure that we'll quickly develop strong and universal revulsion towards unbounded replicators and every trajectory that ends in self-satisfied replication or, more broadly, runaway optimization, to the point that it's comprehensively excised from our metaphorical gene pool. So even if that factory comes online, it will get blown to bits by relativistic bombardment. Yes, I'm talking airstrikes… but in Space!

This might seem like a tight rope to walk. But intelligence is all about finding narrow roads in the solution space. With all the raw compute and sample efficiency Singularity will give us, we'll find a better Pareto Frontier than is imaginable today.

It's a Shin Sekai Yori world model

"Eventually, the psychic-endowed humans established a stable society by controlling their powers using genetic modification and social conditioning. They made themselves incapable of violence against other humans by implementing Attack Inhibition and creating Death Feedback which would be activated if a psychic human kills another, causing the murderer's organs to shut down and die almost instantly."

Sounds like a benevolent world-ruling cult to me.

I'm not convinced that this idea of permanently eliminating the capacity for harm-doing at the physical level is even coherent. It's easy to imagine a galactic version of the trolley problem, something like, there was a sudden unforeseen power failure (even if you are Literally God, there is still only a finite amount of energy available to you at any given time), and we have to divert power from this server cluster that hosts one trillion artificial consciousnesses in order to save this other cluster that hosts five trillion artificial consciousnesses. You're harming the one trillion, but why are you allowed to do that exactly? You could program yourself to be a strict utilitarian, but, you've already indicated that you wouldn't be amenable to that. You could just use your own good and sound moral judgment, but then we're back at the original problem; eventually someone is going to use their own good and sound moral judgment to fuck shit up.

I would just sum up my position thusly: suffering and torture are eternal, they will persist for as long as consciousness persists. It is illusory to think that they could be transcended with technological means. You can have a personal aesthetic preference for whether you want your suffering on earth or in space, in carbon or in silicon, but suffering will continue regardless.

Sounds like a benevolent world-ruling cult to me.

Yep. Appropriately, it's a dystopian world. I do not endorse this solution. Canthus users were arrested in their evolution, and became monsters through it. Squealer is the only truly human hero in the story.

eventually someone is going to use their own good and sound moral judgment to fuck shit up.

There are two solutions here. One is luddism and indeed extreme antihumanism, so that we do not have the capabilities to do evil (or much of anything). The other is totalitarianism, so that our betters manage those capabilities on our behalf. The latter, I think, is straightforwardly bad because people who volunteer for that role deserve negative trust; the former is unworkable because these people aren't going anywhere. Thus there's no escape.

Except, you can say goodbye to your neuroses and enjoy watching humanity grow up. We will probably have bigger-scale fuckups from now on, but that's not guaranteed. It's more certain that we will have more fun.

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