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PaperclipPerfector  11mo ago (text post)   3517 thread views

Small-Scale Question Sunday for June 4, 2023

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Depends what you are optimizing for.

If you are optimizing for a situation where the lives of the invaded are the least worse off, then a literal military invasion is obviously worse.

If in your value system, the terminal value is the preservation of your culture ethnic group, then at least some of them remaining even if their lives now suck are better off than them not existing at all in any meaningful sense over a much longer timeframe, even if their lives sucked less summed up.

I don't agree with the second value system. I think it's stupid in more ways than one, and its followers are intellectually dishonest when they handwave at "culture" and "your children" and what not. I would like them more if they just said "we want to remain white, and so what?", without all the rationalization.

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