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PaperclipPerfector  11mo ago (text post)   3516 thread views

Small-Scale Question Sunday for June 4, 2023

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It seems to me that the word “spew” is very left-coded in online discourse. “You’re just looking for an excuse to spew your hatred”, “he was spewing his racism and homophobia everywhere”, etc.

This is interesting because, in contrast to an overtly political term like “privilege”, or even a set phrase like “there’s a lot to unpack here”, the word “spew” is a longstanding and perfectly innocuous non-political term from ordinary language. And yet to my ears it has still taken on a political valence. I rarely hear a rightist say something like “and then he started spewing his politically correct nonsense”, if ever.

Can you think of any initially non-political words or patterns of speech that have become right-coded? (Or just more leftist examples - I know there are more besides just “spew” but I’m drawing a blank at the moment).

I have found one of the strongest subtle clues to indicate that someone is a leftist (or mired in leftist ideology) is their use of the rhetorical “right?” to end statements of dubious fact, or just statements which they know are unacceptable to refute, mostly things “we all know, right?”. It’s like a tic where they can’t stop doing it even if they tried.

I don't know about politics specifically but its definitely female coded, as is all consensus building formation of language. Other examples are "we can all agree" at the beginning of a phrase or Uptalk in non-interrogative statements, where the tone of voice is raised as the phrase progresses. Its purpose is coalition building and identifying and preemptively shaming dissent. Listen to women speak to each other, especially younger women. Its not just politics. In men it sounds weak and lacks confidence or like a scam artist/salesman.

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