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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 12, 2022

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Tldr; Post trying to explain a facet of the Libertarian thinking process and their inherent disdain towards the government.

The Monopoly on Violence

Seems to be the distinguishing feature of an entity that is or isn't a government.

Imagine you live in a lawless land. There are various warring gangs. Your business is repeatedly ransacked by any of the gangs over and over again. However, one of these gangs gains an advantage over the other gangs. A gang member comes by and offers you protection, provided you offer him a share of your revenue. If you refuse, his gang proceeds to ransack your business and possibly do any number of bad things to you. Given you don't want to die and that his gang is doing better than the other ones, you take his offer. The "tax" you pay him now is ultimately just another cost of doing business.

This is commonplace in many parts of Mexico. Large swathes of area are effectively governed by whichever Cartel has their reigns over that area.

  • Take a look at a hood in Philadelphia vs Juarez. Despite Juarez having 5 times the violent crime and homicide rate as Philadephia, its looks more functional and livable. The streets the cleaner, the infrastructure isn't as dilapidated, and there are more businesses. This is because the Cartels are very much running shit there. Unlike the gangs in Philadelphia, due to the Cartels influence being that much greater, they have an incentive to make sure things are going smoothly, because ultimately they own the shops and need the roads to work. They have their people in all levels of government.

    The high crime rate doesn't affect anyone who doesn't get in the cartels way and as such despite its magnitude doesn't worsen the quality of life in the area to the extent it does in Philadelphia. The point I am making is that if a criminal organization becomes influential enough, they start functioning as a government.

  • A peace march in Michoacan against cartel violence faced a counter protest in favor of the cartel. Both crowds were equally large in numbers. And were filled with "normal people". Women, children and elderly people on both crowds.

    Why did so many people in that area prefer to be governed by the cartel instead of the.. government?

Said very simply. As a libertarian, I don't see much difference between a government and a sufficiently competent/potent drug cartel.

  • They both take your money by force.

  • They both kill you if you get in their way.

  • They both want things to run smoothly, one of them obviously so they can make the most amount of money, the other one.. so they can make the most votes(money)?

If you propose to the average western person that he be ruled by the Cartel (and not the Mexican government), that proposition would be unbearable for him, even if he pays taxes, doesn't try to create his own country, and buys weed from a legal pharmacy and not a street dealer. Yet he would probably prefer to live in a hood in Juarez and not a hood Philadelphia.


And the elephant in the room is not lost to the libertarian. The cartels are inhumanly brutal. But governments are not ?

If there is so much money in drugs that cartels can form paramilitaries, govern cities and buy out big wigs in the police force, why not just legalize drugs??

Why not let the drug money be a part of the GDP, let it be taxed, make it legal so that the cartels don't have to hire Sicarios to settle debts, and instead settle it in court? It's not as if liquor stores wage wars that kill more people than the Syrian Civil War.

Because the government is a Cartel. The reason I feel inherently "wrong" being ruled by a government is the same reason a non libertarian feels inherently wrong about being ruled by the cartel. One of them just compartmentalizes their dirty work really well.

If I don't pay my (protection money) taxes, create a competing business (declare independence) or sell products they don't want me to sell (drugs in both cases), I will have hell to pay. Just the thought of being powerless on that axis is disconcerting for me.

tldr; Post trying to explain a facet of the Libertarian thinking process and their inherent disdain towards the government.

Has the possibility that many people do understand and just disagree crossed your mind?

As far as I'm concerned your post provides an apt illustration of why the libertarian party is a joke. Libertarians are defined by their contrarianism, and their unwillingness to cooperate or be members of a polity. It's always "their way or the highway" but not knowing what their way is they tend to gravitate towards strong men who they imagine will "cut through the red tape" and "fix the problems" for them. This is why you see so many ostensible libertarians making excuses for guys like Putin and shilling for groups like the CCP and the Mexican Cartels. This in conjunction with time the apparent inability and/or unwillingness to distinguished between government through buy-in of the governed and government at gun-point is why so many on the normie right and center left view libertarians with a mix of suspicion and contempt.

The libertarians seem to think that they can do away with government but not end up ruled by cartels or warlords in their wake. Either because everyone will be armed to the teeth and can blow anyone away who looks crooked at you, which doesn't seem all that different from living in the crime-infested slums with the criminal gangs running around shooting each other, or because the magic power of legal contracts will make everyone behave. How will the courts enforce any of these decisions? Well something something private insurance companies something something, which turn out to be in effect private mercenary forces, which once again how is this different from living under a warlord?