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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 12, 2022

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If AZ and MA want to negotiate that transfer and the immigrants agree to it, that's fine. For that matter, if AZ wants to unilaterally set up a program to send immigrants out of state with consent obtained in good faith, that is fine. But neither AZ nor MA have the authority to unilaterally expel unwanted individuals, and they certainly don't have the authority to transport people under false pretenses.

But neither AZ nor MA have the authority to unilaterally expel unwanted individuals, and they certainly don't have the authority to transport people under false pretenses.

--MA appears to disagree with you, since they literally called out the national guard and shipped the illegals out with all possible speed.--

[EDIT] The above appears to be flatly incorrect. The national guard troops appear to have been activated to provide service at the destination base, not sent in force to Martha's Vineyard to collect the migrants. I was wrong.

Evidence they were forced to leave?

Or are you just assuming what's convenient?

Evidence they were forced to leave?

The 150 national guard that were called out. Did Texas need national guard to get them on busses in the first place? If not, it seems that, to the extent that force or deception are objectionable, MA probably did worse on net than Texas did.

That is not evidence of forcing them to leave. The national guard gets called out in voluntary evactuations. You know this.

Sure, for hurricanes, earthquakes, wildfires...

In your mind, what precisely were the NG troops doing? Carrying luggage? Why were three national guard required per migrant? Handing out water bottles? I posit that the purpose of involving uniformed troops was as an intimidation tactic. I can't force you to admit this, but I certainly would be fascinated to hear your alternative theories.

So no evidence. Thanks.

I disagree, and reiterate that 150 national guard scrambled to handle a busload of migrants is, in fact, not done for a "voluntary evacuation", and this situation bears no resemblance to disaster response generally. That is my evidence. You may find it unpersuasive, which is your right; partisans are always free to equivocate between what the evidence allows them to believe and what the evidence forces them to believe, but let us be honest with each other here. If you think a voluntary evacuation required deploying three soldiers per migrant, explaining your reasoning as to why should be trivial.

You're applying a mind-killingly low threshold of evidence for something you want to believe. This is the sort of "thinking" that fuels TDS, and you're just as ill.

It is incredible to assert that the situation bears no resemblance to disaster relief. These people were being set up in... disaster relief housing.

I can't find anything authoritative actually saying that these national guardsmen actually moved the immigrants. But enjoy citing vague articles and feeling superior.

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