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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 7, 2023

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"The Founding Fathers were racist" is not a trivial statement in this case. It is very much an important idea that both sides grapple with in their critiques and rebuttals of said critiques. I don't know how you can say that this is a case of "Internet literalism" when it's a crucial point in the CRT edifice. Hell, this is literally one of the basis facts of the 1619 project. Rufo would 100% deliberately trash this because it constitutes a major attack on his stance.

It's not trivial, but it also isn't an automatic win. "Racism is evil, so now that we've established that Jefferson is racist, you'd better not mention him in a positive context ever again unless my side approves of it" is not legitimate. And that's what "Jefferson is racist" usually means.

Okay, but Rufo is the one who decided to take that stance. If Rufo had narrowed or moderated his stance against CRT, he wouldn't be subject to the weakness of his current stance. A bad argument in favor of a good thing (as many here would see it) is still a bad argument.

Taking a stance, outside a few weird rationalist forums, implicitly means taking a stance against central examples and claims, even if that's not the literal meaning of your words.

Your previous comment makes it sound like you agree with me that it is a central claim. Your rebuttal here makes no sense in light of that.

Central examples of racism are ones that we're supposed to treat as ultimate evil. Noncentral examples aren't. Claiming that Jefferson is a racist implies a central example, but he's only a noncentral example.

Central examples of racism are ones that we're supposed to treat as ultimate evil.

If I quoted a person from the 17th century who said "white people are literal devils, evil in mind and body", you would 100% tell me that this person was racist. Why is Jefferson a non-central example when his belief is only slightly out of step with modern anti-black racists?

Because Jefferson did enough important other things that saying "Jefferson is ultimate evil, so we should ignore everything else he did" is disingenuous. But you're calling him racist to imply exactly that.

Yeah, but that's not Rufo's initial stance. Rufo is the one alleging that CRT is wrong about everything, here's Robinson giving an example about CRT being correct and having an impact on how the mainstream history is treated. Rufo is obligated to back down on a false claim. If he doesn't want to do it with an interview from the "enemy", then he should have been more careful in the first place.

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