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PaperclipPerfector  8mo ago (text post)   2632 thread views

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It's being used as a verb in your first example

A participle is a verb and an adjective simultaneously.

It can be, but that's not what it's doing here. Per your article:

  1. Participles are used to form periphrastic verb tenses:

The present participle forms the progressive aspect with the auxiliary verb be:

Jim was sleeping.

Akpu (was) exhorting Babulal -- subject, verb, object.

That's a different construction with a different meaning.

  • "I saw Akpu exhorting Babulal": "exhorting" is unambiguously an adjective(+verb).

  • "I saw [that] Akpu was exhorting Babulal": I'm not a linguist, but I would still call "exhorting" an adjective+verb here (acting alongside the verb "was"), even though it also can be considered part of the "was exhorting" verb construction. But that may be breaking things down too far.

"I saw Akpu exhorting Babulal": "exhorting" is unambiguously an adjective(+verb).

What verb is it modifying?

Adjectives modify nouns. Adverbs modify verbs and adjectives.

Here, "exhorting" modifies "Akpu".

Sorry, that's what I meant -- the point being, how can 'exhorting' modify 'Akpu'? It's not a property of Akpu, it's an action being taken towards him. (ie. a verb)

'I saw Babu run after Akpu' -- you would say that the 'run after' construction is some sort of adjective? It's not -- 'run after Akpu' is a subordinate phrase.

As I said previously, "exhorting" is simultaneously an adjective and a verb. In its capacity as an adjective, it modifies "Akpu"; and, in its capacity as a verb, it takes "Akpu" as a subject.

Again, I am not a linguist, but that's how I model this situation.

Well you are wrong -- it's not even referring to Akpu, it's the action taken by Babu.

Consider 'I saw Babu exhorting the irritated Akpu on the virtues of ChatGPT' -- 'irritated' is an adjective referring to Akpu, whereas in "I saw Babu punch Akpu", 'punch' is clearly a verb. Your original sentence is like the latter, not the former.

You seem to be saying that, if a participle is active, then it must be treated exclusively as a verb, with no trace of adjective nature. I reject that assertion.

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