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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 18, 2023

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He was charged with disorderly conduct.

As for "felony obstruction", are you referring to USC 1512(c)(2)?

(c)Whoever corruptly— (2)otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

I'm not aware of any video showing Epps committing assault, could you link me?

As for "felony obstruction", are you referring to USC 1512(c)(2)?

That would be what some of the protesters were charged with and convicted of, the "official proceeding" being the election stuff going on in congress, no?

I'm not aware of any video showing Epps committing assault, could you link me?

"Video unavailable in your region", but here's Yahoo news talking about it:

Video shows that Epps attempted to deescalate tensions between the police and rioters, though he's also shown with his hands on a giant Trump sign the rioters jammed into the police line.

Thanks. The video is unavailable for me too, but I do note that the yahoo news article states that another protestor (Jose Padilla) with his hands on the same sign was acquitted of committing assault in that instance. (Why was he charged while Epps was not? I would guess it had something to do with the fact that Padilla was also charged and convicted of a bunch of other violent crimes.)

Yes, many other protestors were charged and convicted of obstructing an official proceeding. However, I don't believe Epps could be convicted of that as he did not enter the Capitol and therefore did not obstruct its proceedings.

Yes, many other protestors were charged and convicted of obstructing an official proceeding. However, I don't believe Epps could be convicted of that as he did not enter the Capitol and therefore did not obstruct its proceedings.

There were protestors who have not entered the Capitol who have faced, and were convicted of the same charge. Keep in mind that it's the "not even being charged" part that is important here. It would be a lot harder to argue there's something special in Epp's case if he was hunted down like the other protesters, and just ended up with lawyers that were good at making his case.

You're right, and I apologise. It seems I misunderstood the requirements of the charge.

I found this transcript from the trial of Guy Reffitt, the protestor you mention. From page 24 we get the actual jury instructions for the charge in question. Apparently aiding and abetting others to obstruct the proceeding is sufficient.

Reffitt reached that threshold (as laid out on page 28) in my opinion - the five elements are 1) that others committed an obstruction of an official proceeding; 2) that Reffitt knew that the obstruction would be committed; 3) that Reffitt committed an act or acts in furtherance of the offence; 4) that Reffitt knowingly committed that act or acts for the purpose of assisting, encouraging the offence to be committed; and 5) that Reffitt committed those acts with the intent that others commit the offence.

In my opinion, Reffitt's actions clearly meet that standard. What about Epps?

It seems to me that the third element is problematic. It's not obvious to me that Epps committed any act in furtherance of the obstruction. Maybe you could argue his statements from the night before count, but I wouldn't be confident.

It seems to me that the third element is problematic. It's not obvious to me that Epps committed any act in furtherance of the obstruction. Maybe you could argue his statements from the night before count, but I wouldn't be confident.

It actually seems pretty clear to me that he did, but it doesn't matter - that's what trials are for, and he wasn't even accused. Even more telling is the mainstream media circling the wagons around him, while they went after the other J6 protesters, and stayed silent about their mistreatment.