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Israel-Gaza Megathread #1
This is a megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
The thing that has blackpilled me about the conflict more than anything is Corey Gil-Shuster's youtube channel. He goes and asks random Israelis and Palestinians on the streets various questions, which I find really illuminating because it gives a sense of the distribution of views and how well thought out they are, etc. And after you watch a few of those you can't avoid the stark reality that there is a large critical mass of Palestinians who absolutely adamantly refuse to consider any outcome short of the total destruction of Israel.
And given that is the case, and that Israel will absolutely not accept its own erasure, there is just no possible compromise or deal to be had. All you can do is keep fighting for another hundred years and hope some future generation is smarter, I guess.
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AshLael 2yr ago
Yeah, I can't say Corey Gil-Shuster's videos showed me anything I didn't already know, but repeatedly he (or his viewers) have tried to ask Palestinians some form of "What would peace look like, since the Israelis aren't going to all pack up and leave?" and the answers are almost always, with varying degrees of circumlocution, "Kill them all." Sure, they'll say in the abstract they "want peace" or they don't personally want to kill anyone, but dig hard enough and they believe "peace" will not be possible until all the Israelis are, literally, gone, and if that means (someone else, of course) kills them all, well, ma sha'allah.
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The thing that has blackpilled me about the conflict more than anything is Corey Gil-Shuster's youtube channel. He goes and asks random Israelis and Palestinians on the streets various questions, which I find really illuminating because it gives a sense of the distribution of views and how well thought out they are, etc. And after you watch a few of those you can't avoid the stark reality that there is a large critical mass of Palestinians who absolutely adamantly refuse to consider any outcome short of the total destruction of Israel.
And given that is the case, and that Israel will absolutely not accept its own erasure, there is just no possible compromise or deal to be had. All you can do is keep fighting for another hundred years and hope some future generation is smarter, I guess.
Yeah, I can't say Corey Gil-Shuster's videos showed me anything I didn't already know, but repeatedly he (or his viewers) have tried to ask Palestinians some form of "What would peace look like, since the Israelis aren't going to all pack up and leave?" and the answers are almost always, with varying degrees of circumlocution, "Kill them all." Sure, they'll say in the abstract they "want peace" or they don't personally want to kill anyone, but dig hard enough and they believe "peace" will not be possible until all the Israelis are, literally, gone, and if that means (someone else, of course) kills them all, well, ma sha'allah.
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Or the unthinkable option, of course. Always lurking in the background.
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