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Israel-Gaza Megathread #1
This is a megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
“You cannot keep two million people living in the conditions people in Gaza are living in and expect peace.”
This is entirely correct. It glosses over the fact that “the conditions people in Gaza are living in” is the result of their chosen policies - namely, putting resources into Jew-killing efforts rather than nation-building efforts - but it’s still entirely true.
Given that those people cannot be allowed into Israel, and that they don’t show any signs of trying to improve their own living conditions, the only way out of this situation is for them to simply be somewhere else. Preferably they could go to many different somewhere elses, such that their culture could be diluted in their hosts’ culture until finally it disappears.
This is entirely correct. It glosses over the fact that “the conditions people in Gaza are living in” is the result of their chosen policies - namely, putting resources into Jew-killing efforts rather than nation-building efforts - but it’s still entirely true.
A result of Hamas' policies. I guess you can say that voting for Hamas once and having them defenestrate any opposition and rule via pure violence makes them culpable but I think it's a dubious argument - especially given how young Gaza. If people voted for Saddam once I doubt starving Iraqis would be seen as a matter of putting the moral responsibility where it belongs. You can claim it's a military or political necessity but the conscience-soothing explanation doesn't seem sufficient.
This is entirely correct. It glosses over the fact that “the conditions people in Gaza are living in” is the result of their chosen policies - namely, putting resources into Jew-killing efforts rather than nation-building efforts - but it’s still entirely true.
It's worse than mere neglect. They actively scrap basic necessities to fashion into weapons to kill jews.
The European Union helped to build more than 30 miles of water pipelines for Palestinians despite Hamas terrorists boasting of their ability to forge an arsenal of home-made rockets from pipes.
They've basically torn up all the old infrastructure the Israeli's left behind, and built rockets with them. Then have the nerve to complain that their basic necessities are so terrible. What's that saying about the definition of hutzpah? Murdering your parents and then begging the court for mercy because you are an orphan?
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“You cannot keep two million people living in the conditions people in Gaza are living in and expect peace.”
This is entirely correct. It glosses over the fact that “the conditions people in Gaza are living in” is the result of their chosen policies - namely, putting resources into Jew-killing efforts rather than nation-building efforts - but it’s still entirely true.
Given that those people cannot be allowed into Israel, and that they don’t show any signs of trying to improve their own living conditions, the only way out of this situation is for them to simply be somewhere else. Preferably they could go to many different somewhere elses, such that their culture could be diluted in their hosts’ culture until finally it disappears.
A result of Hamas' policies. I guess you can say that voting for Hamas once and having them defenestrate any opposition and rule via pure violence makes them culpable but I think it's a dubious argument - especially given how young Gaza. If people voted for Saddam once I doubt starving Iraqis would be seen as a matter of putting the moral responsibility where it belongs. You can claim it's a military or political necessity but the conscience-soothing explanation doesn't seem sufficient.
No need for conscience soothing here. A culture that produces this kind of violence has no right to exist, as far as I’m concerned.
In any case, I’ve seen no evidence that the people of Gaza are actually ideologically opposed to Hamas, and plenty to the contrary.
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It's worse than mere neglect. They actively scrap basic necessities to fashion into weapons to kill jews.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/eu-funded-water-pipelines-hamas-rockets/#:~:text=In%202021%20footage%20emerged%20of,fashioned%20into%20home%2Dmade%20rockets.&text=Their%20main%20armament%20has%20been,fertiliser%20and%20commercially%20available%20explosives.
They've basically torn up all the old infrastructure the Israeli's left behind, and built rockets with them. Then have the nerve to complain that their basic necessities are so terrible. What's that saying about the definition of hutzpah? Murdering your parents and then begging the court for mercy because you are an orphan?
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