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Equal rights for Muslims requires respecting their right to commit honor-killings?
Well in a way it does if equal rights implies freedom to practice your religion.
I don't know much about the Quran but my understanding is that it's about a warlord who goes around killing his enemies and making their women his wives.
Meanwhile I think the Talmud is about a bunch of proto-lawyers bickering about different ways to interpret God's commands so as to not have to obey the most straightforward interpretation of it.
For example instead of staying home on Saturday as ordered by their God, they can claim the whole territory of NYC as their 'home' by creating a symbolic barrier all around it called an eruv.
Muslims who in my opinion have a more violent practice of their religion (as seen with violent bombings, beheadings, stabbings) are under a lot more scrutiny than jews who are experts at lawfare.
Hundreds of millions are probably spent to fight terrorism but white-collar criminals are more likely to get away with it, and some other types of crimes can also end up celebrated.
A few thousands deaths to explosive devices got us the Patriot Act and global internet surveillance meanwhile millions of death to opioids or abortion barely get any legislative action.
Tremendous efforts have been deployed to protect the general public from harms that can nebulously be attributed to islamic enthusiasts, while the harms that can nebulously be attributed to judaism enthusiasm have seen a great reduction in their quelling, from historical precedents.
As you yourself admitted, any problems committed by muslims in the West could also be blamed on jews:
If anything, the pluralist principles established by Jewish activism have benefited Muslims living in the West.
What we have now is angry muslims violently protesting in the West, clashing with native police forces on behalf of the jews who are the ones who made them angry, and who are the ones who facilitated their arrival in the first place.
If some far-left groups are now suggesting to make muslims a protected class due to historical abuse by people in power in the Middle-East (ie Israeli or British colonizers etc), and get their way, then perhaps the balance will be somewhat restored.
Until then I disagree that muslims and jews have equal rights in the West.
Or you need to clarify what you mean by 'equal rights'.
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Well in a way it does if equal rights implies freedom to practice your religion.
I don't know much about the Quran but my understanding is that it's about a warlord who goes around killing his enemies and making their women his wives. Meanwhile I think the Talmud is about a bunch of proto-lawyers bickering about different ways to interpret God's commands so as to not have to obey the most straightforward interpretation of it.
For example instead of staying home on Saturday as ordered by their God, they can claim the whole territory of NYC as their 'home' by creating a symbolic barrier all around it called an eruv.
Muslims who in my opinion have a more violent practice of their religion (as seen with violent bombings, beheadings, stabbings) are under a lot more scrutiny than jews who are experts at lawfare.
Hundreds of millions are probably spent to fight terrorism but white-collar criminals are more likely to get away with it, and some other types of crimes can also end up celebrated.
A few thousands deaths to explosive devices got us the Patriot Act and global internet surveillance meanwhile millions of death to opioids or abortion barely get any legislative action.
Tremendous efforts have been deployed to protect the general public from harms that can nebulously be attributed to islamic enthusiasts, while the harms that can nebulously be attributed to judaism enthusiasm have seen a great reduction in their quelling, from historical precedents.
As you yourself admitted, any problems committed by muslims in the West could also be blamed on jews:
What we have now is angry muslims violently protesting in the West, clashing with native police forces on behalf of the jews who are the ones who made them angry, and who are the ones who facilitated their arrival in the first place.
If some far-left groups are now suggesting to make muslims a protected class due to historical abuse by people in power in the Middle-East (ie Israeli or British colonizers etc), and get their way, then perhaps the balance will be somewhat restored. Until then I disagree that muslims and jews have equal rights in the West.
Or you need to clarify what you mean by 'equal rights'.
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