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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
When you think of the modern rebirth of the State of Israel in 1948 and the re-gathering of millions of Jewish people to Israel” 80% say these events were fulfillments of Bible prophecy that show we are getting closer to the return of Jesus Christ
45% say that the Bible has most influenced their opinions about Israel
Why do you skip the Trump administration, which had numerous Evangelicals in high positions? Why do you ignore the Bush II admin, which had a professed Evangelical as CiC? I understand that they are out of office, but their commitments to Israel shaped the relationship that exists today. To say nothing of the Senate, which shapes foreign policy appropriations and diplomacy in critical ways, where numerous evangelicals sit and twice that many have to carefully consider the evangelical vote when making choices.
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How is it nonsense?
http://research.lifeway.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Evangelical-Attitudes-Toward-Israel-Research-Study-Report.pdf
Is your claim that this poll does not reflect evangelicals views or is it that evangelicals do not influence American policy?
Why do you skip the Trump administration, which had numerous Evangelicals in high positions? Why do you ignore the Bush II admin, which had a professed Evangelical as CiC? I understand that they are out of office, but their commitments to Israel shaped the relationship that exists today. To say nothing of the Senate, which shapes foreign policy appropriations and diplomacy in critical ways, where numerous evangelicals sit and twice that many have to carefully consider the evangelical vote when making choices.
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Sam Harris, whom is now insufferable, has said (ish) that we should listen to what people tell us they believe.
People have trouble believing other people are so absurdly different that they could actually believe X Y or Z ... Smoke evidence be damned.
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