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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
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At this point you'd never get them to pack up and leave (absent massive genocide of course). But the early Zionists like Herzl were insistent on a Jewish state, but flexible about its location. There was discussion about establishing the Jewish state in places like Uganda or Argentina.
Of course that's not what actually happened - the fact that Israel is their ancestral homeland with great religious significance made it obviously the most desirable location. But table stakes for anyone who wants to argue that they should go somewhere else is they need to also explain which country is going to give up territory to them, rather than merely allow them to immigrate.
Many opportunities which would have made the problem more tractable have presented themselves in the past -- now those are passed, and here we are. The current reality is that two (apparently) incompatible groups are claiming the same piece of dirt -- this does not present any obvious solutions.
Yeah, I've been thinking for a while that the MVP (minimum violence product) here would be for the Brits to fire the colonization machine back up, conquer both sides and enforce a democratic one-state solution (with exit rights for those who don't like it). Sadly the time for this has long past as well.
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At this point you'd never get them to pack up and leave (absent massive genocide of course). But the early Zionists like Herzl were insistent on a Jewish state, but flexible about its location. There was discussion about establishing the Jewish state in places like Uganda or Argentina.
Of course that's not what actually happened - the fact that Israel is their ancestral homeland with great religious significance made it obviously the most desirable location. But table stakes for anyone who wants to argue that they should go somewhere else is they need to also explain which country is going to give up territory to them, rather than merely allow them to immigrate.
Many opportunities which would have made the problem more tractable have presented themselves in the past -- now those are passed, and here we are. The current reality is that two (apparently) incompatible groups are claiming the same piece of dirt -- this does not present any obvious solutions.
Threatening to destroy it and then give it to the side that is willing to leave to save it, is the traditional approach i think.
Or just found a new Christian crusader state so neither Israel or Palestine has what they want.
Yeah, I've been thinking for a while that the MVP (minimum violence product) here would be for the Brits to fire the colonization machine back up, conquer both sides and enforce a democratic one-state solution (with exit rights for those who don't like it). Sadly the time for this has long past as well.
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