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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 6, 2023

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He did not say "switched places." He specifically predicated his statement on the fact that they were in different "places" -- that the crowd ckearly had reason to think that Rittenhouse was a threat. And, they did. Just as Rittenhouse turned out to have reasonably acted in self-defense. They all acted in reasonable self-defense. His point was simply that it was obvious in the crowd's case, but not obvious in Rittenhouse's case. Ie, while Rittenhouse had a colorable claim to self-defense, the crowd's case was far beyond colorable.

He did not say "switched places."

He did. By "places" I was referring to who ends up dead in the situation, not changing the scenario where Rittenhouse is in the mob, and Grosskreutz is running away, or whatever it is you're imagining.

His point was simply that it was obvious in the crowd's case, but not obvious in Rittenhouse's case. Ie, while Rittenhouse had a colorable claim to self-defense, the crowd's case was far beyond colorable.

Right, and that claim is completely indefensible.

Dude, of course it is defensible. Go look at what he said, not at your recollection.

It's only "defensible" in the sense that the recent Hamas attack was "defensible": someone with the verbal skills of GPT 4 can write text justifying it. It is not defensible in the sense that the arguments in favor of the claim are valid. There's a reason you responded with "assuming this is true", rather than "of course, everyone should know that the crowd had a VERY strong claim to self defense".

It's only "defensible" in the sense that the recent Hamas attack was "defensible":

The claim is not that it is morally defensible, as some claim re the Hamas attack, but that it is legally defensible.

It is not defensible in the sense that the arguments in favor of the claim are valid.

Since you have not addressed what he actually said, nor what I said re the law, it is unclear to me how you can be so sure of that.

The claim is not that it is morally defensible, as some claim re the Hamas attack, but that it is legally defensible.

Yes, and unless you're claiming anything is legally defensible if you can write some boiler plate text for the argument, this is incorrect.

Since you have not addressed what he actually said, nor what I said re the law, it is unclear to me how you can be so sure of that.

Because you have not taken into account all of the facts about the case, just assumed the picture Binger painted is accurate.

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