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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 4, 2023

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If it's just one state, don't they share the same military power?

In practice I expect not, if they start trying to turn that military power on groups of their own people.

Then, if what you are saying is true, when the conflict is over, the jews will once again control isreal and re-install an apartheid state.

But the problem is more fundamental. Any situation in which both jews and Palestinians cohabitate in isreal under a democracy will end with one group incredibly cruelly oppressing the other, or become unstable and turn to violence after which it will resolve back an apartheid state.

Unless you want to remove the requirement of democracy, the two groups will not live peacefully together.

A fair democracy will reflect the sincere beliefs of its constituents. The sincere beliefs of both the jews and the Palestinians are that the other group should be oppressed at best. That makes sharing a peaceful democratic state fundamentally impossible.

Yeah. I think there's a certain baseline level of trust required for democracy to work. I doubt "one state solution, and that one state is a democracy, and they vote on what should happen to the minority, what could go wrong" is a good solution.

Though a good solution may just not exist.

My point with the horse/ weasel analogy was that Israel is strong enough militarily that attacks against it are likely to make it angry but probably not cause enough damage to weaken it. "If they vote on dinner the horse will be fine" was not intended as advocacy for a one state democratic solution.

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