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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 4, 2023

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I think the whole discourse has been poisoned by Zionists who regard criticism of Israel as a state as criticism of Jews as a people, which is an absurd notion.

This is a ‘yes but…’, but ‘Jews out of occupied Palestine’ is ethnic cleansing by definition. And that is in fact the end point of ‘Israel as a state doesn’t have the right to exist’.

Yes, Israeli Jews will find someone- probably Canada, which is retarded about immigration to begin with- to take them in if they have to leave on short notice. But it’s still pretty bad to kick people out of their homes.

This may come as a surprise but I do not support the forced expulsion of Jews from current Israel either!

Uh, what do you think happens to Israeli Jews if Israel no longer exists?

Ideally we end up with a state that integrates both Jews and Palestinians equally. I an agnostic on whether this state is named "Israel".

And ideally when the two wolves and lamb vote for what’s dinner they will settle on grass.

But I’m not holding out much hope for the lamb.

I mean in this case given the relative military strength I think it's more like the horse and the weasel voting on what's for dinner. I think the horse will be just fine.

If it's just one state, don't they share the same military power?

In practice I expect not, if they start trying to turn that military power on groups of their own people.

Then, if what you are saying is true, when the conflict is over, the jews will once again control isreal and re-install an apartheid state.

But the problem is more fundamental. Any situation in which both jews and Palestinians cohabitate in isreal under a democracy will end with one group incredibly cruelly oppressing the other, or become unstable and turn to violence after which it will resolve back an apartheid state.

Unless you want to remove the requirement of democracy, the two groups will not live peacefully together.

A fair democracy will reflect the sincere beliefs of its constituents. The sincere beliefs of both the jews and the Palestinians are that the other group should be oppressed at best. That makes sharing a peaceful democratic state fundamentally impossible.

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