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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 25, 2023

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I've read most of the replies and I wonder if it doesn't boil down to unwillingness to entertain anything short of a perfect case. If a vegan can't provide a watertight case for how turning vegan will generate ideal outcomes on all aspects under consideration then their argument is irredeemably flawed, and if their argument is flawed it can be rejected wholesale and we can all carry on as we were.

Maybe, but I don't think that applies to the specific case @satirizedoor brought up. The poster in that case wasn't interested in advancing arguments for veganism, he was interested in shaming others for not being vegan. Of course people aren't going to respond to that. Once he condescendingly asked "what's your excuse?", there was no argument any more, just good old-fashioned "I'm better than you, suck it".

On the other hand, I don't think it's possible for a vegan to argue that you and everyone you know is doing unspeakable evil without it coming across as shaming.

There are degrees. There's a big gap between "hey man, I realize you enjoy meat but it's actually morally wrong because (reasons)", and the confrontational message from the post under discussion.

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