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I should've said "medically transitioned" not "transitioned", those are often used differently, and that was a mistake. Medical transition is a lot more of a commitment than wearing the other gender's clothes. I know a lot of people who "realized" they were trans as teens, and didn't transition until much later.
Medical transition filters for the most committed.
I think in the typical case the child's opinions are a more significant driver, and the parent is themselves bought into it. I agree that in some cases the doctor persuades a reluctant parent. But, still, the problem in general is that everyone believes this stuff. The parents believe it and the doctors believe it and so does everyone else.
If you are a parent, you can just say 'no you aren't getting your breasts cut off until 18' and that's that. Even for hormones, in the US I don't think kids can get them without parental consent. (Apparently they can for hormones in canada though ... lol) In the US the risk is more them ordering hormones online from ukraine or something, which does happen.
The theory here is ... that by banning nazis discord increases the number of trans kids? It's not wrong, but. More seriously, the size of the effect there is just going to be very small. Discord doesn't ban that many topics, and for small groupchats they struggle to actually ban any of the banned topics, including the ones everyone including you agree are bad (malware, cp, grooming). It's not really plausible that that measurably increases the frequency of trans. And 4chan is still a strong example, a whole lot of trans stuff there. The trans culture there certainly has a different character than the more popular trans cultures, but it doesn't seem to be less popular as a % of people there.
This is certainly the most plausible version of the argument so far. That's definitely a nonzero effect. It's just ... the effect doesn't seem so large. Like, the school allows the child to use their chosen new name instead of not. Maybe it assigns them a counselor they meet with a few times. I think this is a much smaller effect than the approval of their online and real-life peer group, and the large procession of celebrities, influencers, etc they see on tiktok or in media being trans accepting. I don't think it justifies the focus on schools as places that are harming kids with trans.
I don't even mean black violence, there was significantly more political violence from white people in the past too, which is the right class for airport security. It's just kind of a non sequitur. I would agree that crime, or even black crime, is not the same kind of dismissible minor issue. I just don't think airport security is particularly related to black crime.
Don't worry, that's how I understood you meant it.
No it doesn't. Your kid comes to you and says "dad, I think I'm trans", you say "oh shit, I don't know anything about it, better go to the doctor", your family doctor says "oh shit, I don't know anything about it, better refer to a specialist", and the "specialist" is someone like Michelle Forcier who thinks puberty blockers are a magical pause button. The kid doesn't even know what they're committing to, the parents trust the person in the lab coat, and the person in the lab coat is nuts / completely ideologically captured. If there's a filter in this process, I'm not seeing it.
The child's opinion is probably why they ended up in front of a doctor, but most of the time parents don't know what the hell is going on, and defer to authority. Often against what their instincts are telling them.
Yeah, except you have to be terminally online to know what's going on, and have balls of steel to go against every authority figure in your way. Most people have neither.
You're the one saying that trans kids come from Discord, I gotta work within the constraints you set.
I also don't know so much about Discord, but I'm much less inclined to concede that one. We even talked about this before, the Distributist had not 1, but 3 of his Discord servers banned. Don't tell me he's a grroming, malware-spreading, cp gooning Nazi.
The small groupchats are irrelevant to the argument. Once you ban the big places, you disrupt people congregating on the platform.
This might work under your "medical transition filters for the most committed" assumption, but I dispute it. Like I said, without reinforcement from serious institutions there's no reason to believe this would be anything more than an emo phase, it had peers, influencers and celebrities backing it too.
I don't want to get into esoteric arguments about Saudi's whiteness, but surely it was 9/11 that was the relevant event here? I doubt OP was wistfull for the days you could escort someone directly onto a plane like Humphrey Bogart. In any case OP also specifically brought up "How there didn't used to be security guards and metal detectors at theatres. (...) And literally nobody was murdered more often than not, under any circumstances, in the town I grew up in.", so plain old fashioned violence fits perfectly well into that (which I was referring to geographically, not racially, BTW).
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