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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 18, 2024

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(as opposed to just wanting them out of Palestine so Israelis can settle there)

They are going somewhere. The best option is if they stay put. Moving millions of arabs around 300 km from the EU is a terrible idea.

Are not Israeli.

Imagine in a Han chinese lobby claimed they were not a Chinese lobby, just ethnic Han who love China.

The reason it is useful to have an outpost in the region is oil, and Iran.

Yet Chinese ships sail past Yemen without getting shot at and China buys middle eastern oil. They didn't have to invade any countries. Iran is in no way a threat and is if anything the group that has been the best at integrating in Europe. They even speak an indoeuropean language. Destabilizing Iran would be an absolute disaster. Our interest is a stable Iran with few migrants and stable exports.

We don't have national interests threatened in or next to Indonesia.

What national interests does the west have around Israel that Israel helps with? Israel provides no oil.

Well, Christians have it better in Israel than in most Arab countries.

Christians are being ethnically cleansed by Israel. Israel has backed jihadists in Syria that were wrecking Christian communities and Israel has had an anti-christian stance in the Armenia/Azerbadjan conflict.

and we cannot escape our interests in the region.

How has Israel promoted stable arab states that produce few migrants and like to do business with the west?

They are going somewhere. The best option is if they stay put. Moving millions of arabs around 300 km from the EU is a terrible idea.

I don't disagree. I disagree that moving Arabs to Europe is the end goal of right-wing Israeli nationalists (and Jews in general). They want to move the Palestinians somewhere, and usually the (very slightly more realistic) proposal is that neighboring Arab countries should take them in. (Only slightly more realistic because the Arab countries don't want them.)

Imagine in a Han chinese lobby claimed they were not a Chinese lobby, just ethnic Han who love China.

Okay. I have no problem imagining that. Lots of Chinese special interest groups, political and cultural, exist in the US. I don't think most of them are fronts for the Chinese government or advocating the interests of the PRC.

What national interests does the west have around Israel that Israel helps with? Israel provides no oil.

A joint base of operations. Israeli intelligence. An allied military force in place.

Christians are being ethnically cleansed by Israel.

That's a bold claim. Are you basing this on the fact that some Palestinians are Christians, or are you actually claiming Christians who live in Israel are being ethnically cleansed?

Israel has backed jihadists in Syria that were wrecking Christian communities and Israel has had an anti-christian stance in the Armenia/Azerbadjan conflict.

This seems like a very skewed reading of their interests. That said, yes, both Israel and the US have made very unfortunate devil's bargains with jihadists that have come back to bite us.