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Small-Scale Question Sunday for April 28, 2024

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When will women overtake men in soccer ability?

So right now there is no competition between men and women when it comes to soccer. There are various stories of high school boys annihilating their respective national pro women team. Just type in women's football/soccer compilation and you will see professional female footballers make mistakes that even half decent teenage boys wouldn't make.

However, who's to say this won't change in the far (/near?) future ?

First of all, women's football has only become a sport that has gained serious attention in the last couple of years. I'm sure men were not that good when football was first invented. It will take time for the most talented of female footballers to be found.

Secondly, football is as much as a game of skill and teamwork as a game of strength and speed. Men have an obvious inherent advantage when it comes to strength and speed and I don't see that gap closing anytime soon. But skill and teamwork is something that we don't really understand to the same degree as strength and speed. Strength and speed are easy to measure and they have an almost objective quality to them. Skill and teamwork however, are more nuanced abilities, more hard to measure, more "I know it when I see" type of ability.

My main argument here is that women have advantage over men in terms of social skills mainly because women find people endlessly fascinating. I think their ability to read body language and facial expressions far surpasses men. So much so that I think most men don't even realise how much better they are in this regard. It's akin to a 100 IQ person interacting with a 150 IQ person. The 100 IQ person might think the 150IQ person is a bit weird and may even recognise that the person is smart through socially sanctioned indicators of intelligence such as prestigious university, hard degree, cognitively demanding job. But the 100IQ person doesn't really grasp how vast the inner world of the 150IQ person is compared to theirs. The 100IQ person doesn't grasp how much more information the 150 IQ person is collecting and processing.

Anyway, I believe that women's interest in people could mean their ability to coordinate in soccer is much higher than men's. I think given enough time women will be passing the ball in way we have only seen in glimpses on the men's side. I believe that Barcelona's tiki taka will become the standard template of play for women's football in the future. It might be so good that they will be able to beat men despite the strength and speed gap.

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When will women overtake men in soccer ability?

This is a ridiculous question. The answer is never. Seriously, it's such a bad question, I felt the need to downvote it.

And it's bad in particular because of the contrived argument you present.

My main argument here is that women have advantage over men in terms of social skills mainly because women find people endlessly fascinating.

Your assertion that women are supposedly better at team coordination because of inherently better social skills, is superficially true, but once again, does not apply to this situation whatsoever. And also it's naive in a really grating way. It's like you read some chapters of a fairly advanced book, but completely skipped other chapters.

Did you skip the chapter on greater male variability? Or the chapter on males having significantly better spatial-temporal reasoning? Or that men have a much higher status-driven competitive drive????

You know, just all the things needed to be the best at a team sport (something something men being hunters women being gatherers) that primarily involves lobbing a projectile at a target, in additional to the greatly male advantaged requirements for physical prowess?

Seriously NO. Just NO.

Nothing is stopping women from dominating esports either by this logic. But they tend to suck balls at it, because few women are autistically driven enough to strive to be the top 0.0001% at anything, or lack the mental fortitude to place winning over everything else (even if it means being mean to your teammates and not having friends or family).


Your model of soccer is wrong, your model of men and women is wrong, your model of competitive endaevours is wrong. Your model of how those things tie in together is wrong.