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fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
3m ago
Fair point on opinion vs debate. I did not consider that support for his comment could be both "I am glad you shared an opinion" or "I agree with your opinion".
Asking for what? Or, what was I asking for?
I tried to caveat my comment with "this is the vibe I get" and not "I am confidently saying I know the demographic of this community"
I did not realize you can see the upvote/downvote breakdown, thanks for that.
I really cannot emphasize how much I don't care about my internet points. This website doesn't even have a karma score (thank god) and I think would be better if it removed votes all together. A forum with threaded comments that can only be sorted by new is the ideal design, in my opinion.
Back when I was active on reddit, I made new accounts a few times a year and one of the main reasons for that was to never get attached to a karma score.
There are problems with your comment that should have been fixed
Always open to feedback
Hadad
5m ago
Yes, Iran and not-Iran have different wants and incentives This is quite typical.
Ditto6687
7m ago
That's a pretty good argument for why Iran should get nukes don't you think?
Owlify
7m ago
Yeah, I can understand that. It's very subjective as people mostly go off of their moral instincts.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
9m ago
Yeah, "approved" in the Milgram Experiment sense.
It wasn't a long time ago that the pro-trans side had total information dominance. Even If a parent had their doubts and wanted to double-check what the doctor said, all they'd find after googling is papers and statements from respected institutions telling you how Gender Affirming Care is The Science™, and you're an ignorant fool for wanting to delay or avoid your child's medicalization. It takes a special kind of contrarian to go with their gut, against every authority figure in vicinity and beyond.
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
10m ago
That's a great point, under this framework that doesn't really work, but it did happen. Good point!
Smoking has lots of negative externalities to those around you, which make it easier to ban I guess? I probably need another coffee to map this onto pre-marital sex.
I think applying the externality logic to pre-marital sex, pre-marital sex has much less obvious (and by definition, delayed by 9 months) externalities. So it's harder to drum up support by pointing to single mom's who may or may not have had sex out of wedlock, versus the person next to you on the airplane making your lungs miserable.
Might have double-negative'd that, idk
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
14m ago
True Marxism has never been tried, Comrade!
This is exactly the bit I was riffing on.
I'm firmly in the camp of "both Marxism and Christian ideals have been tried and found lacking". If you think Chesterson is right, but the Marxist fanatics are wrong, I would be curious to see how that gap is bridged.
BahRamYou
15m ago
There's been a suspiciously long pattern of US leaders thinking "we can solve this problem with strategic bombing, no ground invasion necessary." But then it turns out the strategic bombing is actually not that powerful, especially in a country as large and mountainous as Iran. This is a country roughly the size of the entire US west. It seems like they will always, inevitably be able to hide an enrichment facility somewhere. North Korea and Pakistan certainly did.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
16m ago
That you view children as a punishment rather than a blessing is why secular liberalism is suffering (or perhaps enjoying) a collapse in fertility.
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
17m ago
have better outcomes on a whole host of relevant metrics to the people yearning for Christianity
Unless you were a powerless woman, or a powerless minority, or a powerless person of slightly the wrong proclivity for various things including but not limited to sexual orientation and opinions on celestial mechanics (at relevant times).
I'd posit that if Christianity was the ideal human ideology that caused maximum flourishing, it wouldn't have declined. Or at least the places where it didn't decline would then be much better places (and presumably out-compete) than places where it did.
muzzle-cleaned-porg-42
19m ago
I will take your word on the timing of events. But after the genie was out of the bottle many other things changed, too, which are all now reasons for any random individual to stay in the current cultural equilibrium. If you want to push them and together with them whole of society to other equilibrium, you need to a path from here to there. Propaganda at schools for abstinence sounds like a joke which it is when it is an insufficient level of push: teacher lecturing an abstinence sex ed curriculum will appear detached from reality in an environment where everybody expects the current marriage pattern of no marriage at all or it's decades away when you are closer to middle-aged than teenager.
Getting married is something people can plausibly do. It will be easier if there is a push for other changes that make it easier to become and be a young married couple having young married life (including married sex that results in kids).
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
22m ago
Frankly, I believe my lying eyes more than I believe a collection of blackpill-curated stats from places like the Institute for Family Studies.
I actually endorse this approach 100%, but surely this implies a general rejection of social science?
I'm sorry you are having such a struggle, and honestly, the dating landscape does look kind of awful right now (speaking as a guy who was pretty awkward and had a number of other strikes against me in my youth) and I am glad I'm not on the market.
Wait what? Why are you glad you're off the market, if your eyes are telling you things are fine?
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
22m ago
Again I'm really not whining, I didn't come here expecting it to be a "agrees with me" paradise.
It seems to me like right-leaning ideas are more popular here, which I took a stab at demonstrating. There's also at least enough right-leaning support here to go +15 while espousing violent right-leaning thoughts. If you were at +1, I'd assume ideological balance in the group, if you were at -15, there would clearly more left-leaning voters clicking than right-leaning.
your disapproval genuinely means nothing to me
I expect nothing less! No offense taken :)
I post because I like to hear myself speak, and I like bickering. If I wanted approval for my ideas I'd be on reddit, which I am not. Have a great day!
roystgnr
22m ago
You yourself got +15 upvotes saying things that I thought were quite uncool, and very right coded.
I know "they were asking for it" is a cliche of an awful thing to say, but I have to point out: you literally were asking for it, and @Hadad was wise enough to remind everyone of that in his first sentence of that comment. The line between a debate and an opinion poll is a bit of a blurry one on a forum, but I think it's clear enough that the distinction matters. If he'd presented those sentiments as if they were supposed to be a persuasive argument, I'd absolutely have downvoted them, but giving an honest (and bookended by caveats!) expression of his sentiments in response to an explicit query for general sentiments was fine. I still couldn't bring myself to upvote it, sorry @Hadad, but half of the point of this place is seeing what people say when they're not being squelched, and avoiding the squelching is important for that.
I'd say your own top comment's vote score (currently +18 -24) would be more clearly deserving of complaint (except that that would go over even more poorly, as "people can't downvote me!" always does). There are problems with your comment that should have been fixed, but I could surely find comments here that had bigger problems but got a pass because they were right-leaning rather than (in context) left-leaning.
hydroacetylene
24m ago
I’m pretty sure the cases of actual surgery are not cases in which the parents don’t know or approve.
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
26m ago
Why does regular bombing campaigns leaving the country unable to create the necessary infrastructure not a viable path forward?
You don't need the US to be directly involved for that. Israel can handle it all on their own.
I see no particular reason we can't just annihilate them.
"Annihilating" Iran, Carthage (or Circassia) style, isn't on the table.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
27m ago
Doesn't that mean you're that much more screwed if you end up changing your mind later?
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
29m ago
It was a widely distributed meme when it came out, I didn't generate this. Fair enough though.
I thought it was relevant as it actually does a shockingly good job at illustrating why common folks with AR-15s can still exercise power, despite not having access to tanks or airplanes.
I'm also not kidding, as a Canadian who's always sneered at US gun culture/shootings, reading this a few years ago, especially the final line, "Government is scared of you" basically flipped me from "mildly pro gun but unbothered by new gun restrictions" to "profoundly anti-gun restrictions".
Government should be scared of us, and it's not scared enough these days.
TitaniumButterfly
29m ago
I think 'personhood' in this context is mostly nonsense and everything gets circular fast.
Comes down to something like "It's okay to kill him because he's not a person, and he's not a person because it's okay to kill him."
pigeonburger
29m ago
Tangent, but I always wondered if a big part of the persisting popular perception of Love at First Sight and True Soulmates and stuff like that is just couples/parents downplaying their struggles after the fact to strengthen their bond and/or to reassure their children. Maybe I'm an outlier, but for me attraction (in a romantic sense) was never a 0-to-100 flash of inspiration, it was always me gradually growing interested in a person as I learn about their life and language, not noticing it sinking in until at some point the realization hits out of left field.
Maybe some people really find someone where everything is effortless. Maybe those people also embody the work advice "if you love what you do you'll never work a day in your life". Maybe those people are lying to themselves, or maybe they aren't. I have to work at my career and I have to work at my marriage. I didn't make the maximum effort and maximum difficulty choices for both, but I'm not sure the unicorn effortless ones existed for either, at least for me.
ControlsFreak
29m ago
Do you think it was unlikely for rates of smoking to decline after society had shifted HARD toward embracing it? ...with a side of "don't tell me what to do"?
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
30m ago
You have repeatedly heard from men (I will add myself to that pool) who can tell you from their observed experience that this is not true, that most guys around them don't have insurmountable problems either dating or getting laid, and that those who can't are not perfectly decent, fit guys with good jobs and stable personalities who are being rejected by the entire female population because they are all alpha-widows, but because there is something wrong with these guys.
Frankly, I believe my lying eyes more than I believe a collection of blackpill-curated stats from places like the Institute for Family Studies.
I'm sorry you are having such a struggle, and honestly, the dating landscape does look kind of awful right now (speaking as a guy who was pretty awkward and had a number of other strikes against me in my youth) and I am glad I'm not on the market. But the blackpill is not going to do you any favors. Even if your pessimistic assumptions are true, you ask, "Now what?" Now go out there and get in the game and stop making excuses, that's what. No one is going to hand you pussy or a relationship, and if you have to work harder at it than grandpa, well, every era has its challenges. You probably don't want to deal with the other things grandpa had to deal with.
No, the game is not rigged against you. No, there are not zero acceptable single women in your city. No, the solution is not to contrive reasons why women should not have agency to choose.
hydroacetylene
31m ago
Sex Ed doesn’t prevent pregnancy in general- teen pregnancy is dictated by population factors.
Owlify
31m ago
I am using person to mean the general fuzzy concept of personhood and the rights associated with it. Most of us would agree that a single cell fertilized egg is not a person yet. The concept is fuzzy so you can't really draw a line on at what point the fertilized egg becomes a person.
That depends entirely on who's making the decisions, I think. I'm going to vote for people who are okay with destroying our enemies.
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