hydroacetylene
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hydroacetylene
1hr ago
Of course they do. I'm simply not onboard with the idea(or my wife's many other pet ideas).
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
First off, in traditional peasant societies both sexes married younger than that; for the peasantry these were mostly actual teenagers marrying twenty something or occasionally very early thirties men, the very large age gaps tended to be mostly elites with second marriages(either polygamous or serially monogamous). In old school urban societies it was more likely to be early twenties woman/late twenties men(who, yes, visited prostitutes before marriage). The twenty two year old and forty five year old has never been normal.
Secondly, hell yeah police young men. We know how to do that. Young men respond to incentives a lot more legibly, and the bottom quintile dropping out of the marriage market is A-OK to most reckonings. Men marrying in the near-term post college years is not some sort of rarity, although it may be passe in the liberal elite. It's quite common in red America.
The average male wage in the USA is around $1k/wk, a perfectly doable household income for four people. People just don't prioritize having/being a homemaker as much. I'm given to understand that Scandi tax structures brutally penalize households for having adults outside of formal employment and so SAHMs straight up don't exist there as deliberate policy choice, regardless of partner income(but that much higher percentages of women work part time).
BTW, subsidizing childcare has very limited to nil effects on birthrates, although it does increase the labour force participation of mothers. This suggests that childcare costs do not feature strongly in decisions of whether or not to have kids.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
There is no evidence that the west wants to fill Ukraine with Africans. Indeed, western European countries might quite reasonably believe that dumping Africans in Ukraine will just cause them to migrate from Ukraine to western European countries that are actually wealthier than Africa.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
Sweden legitimately has a high percentage of women in the military.
hydroacetylene
2hr ago
I have a female cat, and have so far been resistant to other pet project ideas. I do cooperate with the neighbors to make sure there's food out for the neighborhood strays, but that's mostly not on me, it's a village cats policy.
hydroacetylene
2hr ago
Are they even domesticable?
No. Raccoons make worse pets than wolves, bobcats, foxes, raptors, etc. It's actually difficult to think of a carnivore which makes a worse pet without resorting to ones that produce man eating individuals regularly.
hydroacetylene
21hr ago
Orthodoxy is, in practice, not that socially conservative.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Most historical eras.
Not post-industrial ones. But the whole point of trad is copying stuff that worked in really old societies in the modern era.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
So is traditional Catholicism- 'smoking the whole pack' when you bite down on trad seems to solve a lot of this stuff, even if it's not a magic bullet.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
The actual trad solution was that women were younger than their husbands. It's not hard to impress almost-literal teenagers when you're in your late twenties.
Once again, (western)trad doesn't run on 'boys rule, girls suck it up'. It runs on politically incorrect compromises where young men are the ones that usually get the short end.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Tradcaths have a much lesser grade of these same problems(no birth control, like actually seriously, just short circuits around so so much of this 'how to have trad sexual ethics in a post sexual revolution world', for example), and we straight up tell our young men that women do not care about the third council of Constantinople or whatever, learn to talk about sports or work or something they have a framework for interacting with.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
The Amish seem to do OK in cartel ruled Mexico, they're not reliant on a strong state with an inexplicable soft spot for them. You're correct that they probably couldn't run their own country, but in a post apocalyptic world they'd just feed the hells angels for protection or something, they way peasants always have.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
You're correct, 'the cultural influence of porn artists on the left' is something which teaches me the true meaning of ignorance being bliss.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the human supremacist thing is mostly an EU thing, it wasn't really part of the movies?
Agree that the original trilogy at least was basically apolitical and the empire is portrayed as 'generic ruthless tyranny' with Nazi aesthetics being there mostly because they look cool.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Blue tribe conservatives seem to love AI. Red tribe conservatives seem to see it as an interesting new technology that has future applications, but which isn't ready for prime time.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Agree that fertility issues are a tiny part of modern birthrate woes, and probably a big chunk of those fertility issues have solutions more like 'wear boxers instead of briefs' and 'stop having the woman of the house clean out the litterbox' rather than expensive medical treatments. But- and I don't like IVF- modern states are political will limited, they're not money limited. Moar fertility treatments(and literally, I've spoken to people who had five children as soon as a doctor visited their home to figure out why they couldn't have kids. The answer? Preventive antibiotics from a cat born illness. Fertility treatments have some role) are likely to be more effective because they might actually happen. Sweden is a wealthy society which can throw money at healthcare very easily, but which can't encourage marrying your partner or having many children very easily, that's simply not done.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Why? Secular Israelis and red tribe America(which is not based and trad barefoot and pregnant fundies) both manage replacement fertility through social engineering. Your solutions sound like science fiction, yes, but they also sound like a continuation of the trends that lead to below replacement fertility to begin with- they make kids 'less than the default'.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
I mean this is definitely not the US; what are Sweden's parenting norms? I know it's illegal to hit your kids there, and they genuinely helicopter parent less. I've heard that, like the rest of the nordics, there Are Issues with CPS. But what does the average Swede think they need in order to have kids?
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Orthodoxy has a strong norm for male facial hair, and poor maintenance practices or merely bad genetic luck(or even insufficient age) can make facial hair seem very unhygienic.
Orthodox men also do not have the best of reputations in traditional Christian circles, as regards things like hygiene or social skills. Of course, the elephant in the living room that seems unaddressed is the gender ratio- American Orthodoxy is very very male. A highly imbalanced gender ratio simply does not work well.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
American orthodoxy is not trad in that way, however, 19th century Russian peasants did not court in any way that would be recognizable- and probably not in any way that would be approved by- modern American orthodox.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
I’ve also seen people pouring out their big gulp and replacing it with beer at 1 in the afternoon. Plenty of people still drive drunk.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Epistemic status- schizopost
There are western legends and folk tales which follow the following pattern- uncommonly beautiful, but poor, girl meets a mysterious, tall, and wealthy man, who marries her and as she moves into his house, there are some commonalities: it’s a mansion located someplace that can’t be accessed by means comprehensible to premodern societies(walking, boats, horseback, climbing ladders etc are all insufficient to get there), often said to be vaguely in the air or involve flight. The mansion is full of invisible servants and has uncommonly rich foods easily available every night, but it’s isolating and lonely; her only company is her husband, who’s often described as a bit of a weirdo or maybe a pervert once they’re isolated. Sometimes she begs to go back home, having aged supernaturally little despite remembering years, and sometimes she is visited by sisters or friends from back home(arranged by her husband- he’s usually not a bad person, he isn’t violent or cruel or anything. Just odd or strongly implied to have unusual sexual preferences)- but there’s always an explanation of how we’re finding out about it.
This is an indication that the ancient aliens theorists are wrong. It’s time travelers, not aliens, these are the accounts of time traveling mail order brides who divorced or failed to adapt. Do you think a medieval peasant woman would describe suburban McMansions as something other than ‘an manour house with unseene servants and a grayte feaste every night’?
Now, data on integrating primitive societies into modern, urbanized wealthy societies actually does tell us what peasant women as mail order brides experience- they tend to be amazed at appliances, take to the housewife role very readily, and find suburban western societies lonely and isolating. There’s some interesting ethnographic work I once read but can’t find right now on Eskimo women who married US military personnel- they learned to bake and already knew how to sew and loved thé western homemaker role, they thought it was the best thing ever, but wanted to get to know their neighbors and have denser social connections. Eskimo men given job training did not integrate nearly so well.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
I mean thé obvious counter argument is the history of China, which is nothing but peasant rebellions.
Dogs of the sort I would be ok with smell bad, and I don't want to add to my list of yard chores by cleaning up after them, and they're expensive to get one I'm ok with having. They are also loud, and unlike cats(which strictly speaking need water, food, and litterbox- and that can be delayed for a day or two) we would need to make arrangements for walking etc if we went out of town. It's possible that someone I know might rehome a dog because of moving and I would be ok with getting it, but I'm not trusting a shelterpet, not with a dog(that's where cats come from though), and I do not wish to spend hundreds of dollars on a purebred, nor am I thrilled about the puppy stage.
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