FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
And every gimmick hungry yob
Digging gold from rock n roll
Grabs the mic to tell us
he'll die before he's sold
But I believe in this
And it's been tested by research
He who fucks nuns
Will later join the church
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FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
9hr ago
I had to look this up to make sure I was reading this correctly...100x100, so 10,000m? 10k? So like three hours of swimming at that pace? That's genuinely insane to me. I've done a mile, but that? That's crazy.
Start updating us if you go for it.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
13hr ago
Fun is one thing, being stoked is another. See also type 1 2 and 3 fun.
I don't want to get into an argument with an absent third party about what he enjoys. But...he's obviously lying if he says he doesn't enjoy lifting weights. He might have found some way to influencer his way to some money out of lifting now, but he did a whole lot of lifting before ever reaching a point where he could make a dime, and even now it is probably just a hobby. If he didn't enjoy doing it at some level, he wouldn't do it. If he wasn't stoked about it, about reaching his lifting goals, he wouldn't do it. I've read his posts before, he often works out multiple times a day, and he's not a real competitor in any serious lifting series. He's doing this because he loves it, because he is stoked about it. He just likes bitching about how much he hates squats because he finds that kind of negativity to be more serious or whatever.
I'm stoked about jiu jitsu. That doesn't mean I'm constantly smiling doing jiu jitsu, or that it is always fun. There's a lot of times I'm not having fun. Six months ago it was even less fun. But I'm interested in reaching my goals, so that even when I'm cooked and my muscles are exhausted and I'm pinned under some gorilla who is trying to smother me, I'm still stoked to keep showing up, every day that I can, so that I can get better. The stoke is what gets me through the unpleasantness. If I just did unpleasant things for no reason, I'd be a literal masochist.
So like, yeah, I can picture a hypothetical person who just fucks around doing the "fun parts" without ever doing the unpleasant training parts. That's good advice for people like that.
But I know a lot of people who just don't work out at all. Those who keep starting a program they don't like working toward a goal they don't really care about, and give up after a few weeks every time. Those people need to try other advice than "do what sucks."
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
14hr ago
I would call smoking a method of suicide rather than a life event within my model. You might as well say "putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger" is a life event that leads to suicide. Certainly, if we're accepting drug addiction, heroin would be the better example.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
16hr ago
Is it? I recall it being $20 with a minor tip for a couple pounds. Which I guess isn't nothing.
Idk maybe this is my how much could a banana be.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
16hr ago
Sorry. I was trying to give an example of something low key. Guess I need to aim lower.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
17hr ago
Except that the defamation here relies not on something like a viral video, or a government name, or even obvious identifying information like a tattoo, but on more subtle stuff like knowing where he lived ten years ago and who he was dating and where she worked. Without that information, no new person he met after the story came up could ever connect the dots...unless an article by his ex gf outing him was published on Slate. Then that might make it a bit more public.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
17hr ago
So then the next best-case scenario's that everyone just thought it hyperbole, or joke. But then you look at everybody that thought it funny when Kirk was murdered...
Alternatively, my thesis: it's extraordinarily bad politics to tell people they aren't allowed to vote for someone or something. Trump, Mamdani, Brexit, Jaye, even something like Roy Moore in the Republican primary. When voters perceive an outside authority tut-tutting them that they aren't "allowed" to vote for someone, the natural reaction is "Fuck me? No, fuck you."
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
17hr ago
I would find the "Waifu Importation Bill" hilarious, but how exactly would they ensure "attractive and fertile"?
Presumably by market forces, if you're making it easier to bring in your fiancee. A guy isn't going to bring in a woman he doesn't want to sleep with. Fertile is kind of a black box, but there's no reason to think it wouldn't lead to more children, especially if you tie citizenship to children. Maybe a structure where green cards are easy to get for your gf, and your gf gets citizenship once you have kids?
I do think a very easy button to press is the au pair program. Make it mega easy and cheap to import girls between the age of 17 and 30 who want to do childcare. Besides the help they'd give current parents, it's a pretty good bet that twenty-somethings who like kids enough to nanny wouldn't mind having a few.
These programs would be obviously good, would increase immigration (which Democrats are bad at saying is ever bad), and are easy to bias on sex (au pair's are female, make citizenship for mother's of children but not fathers). Trump is at his best when he gets to the left of the Dems, they tie themselves in knots and look like fools.
Of course it would also be hilarious to see this backfire when a flood of Muslim women arrives completely on board with the "get married and have at least two children" plan.
Who's afraid of big bad burqa? A flood of pretty Persian or Lebanese girls with engineering degrees who want to marry a soulful white boy and raise kids here doesn't offend me one bit. I may be biased...
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
20hr ago
I'm in favor of both birthday themed workouts, adjusted to whatever level or style you like, with an arbitrary number related to your age.
This year, I was working late, and for various personal crisis reasons I didn't really want to do anything major, so I told my wife I wanted to get a little high and get a big takeout order of boneless wings and watch an old horror movie. While this was hardly the world's most decadent thing, it was a clear indulgence, and it was exactly what I wanted.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
22hr ago
Or if you want a really simple one: "Men, I'm going to close off all non-skilled immigration except for attractive, fertile young women, and due to the looming crisis of declining birthrates we will issue emergency visas and expedited citizenship paths to any such women who get married and bear at least 2 kids."
This is one I'm surprised I haven't seen mooted. Making it easier for passport bros to import wives seems like an easy stink bomb for the Trump admin to throw into the Democratic coalition, it would almost certainly cause them to chase their tails for months.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23hr ago
What is or was fisetin?
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
23hr ago
Yes, but his friends will be proportionately more impressed by the tough old bird, and high rep back squats are all about suffering anyway.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
Previous discussion here.
Weird, I'd forgotten it was discussed here, and I commented then, and said like mostly the same things, but with some details shuffled.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
This does not seem like a serious or useful standard, as even assuming there is anything like an objective standard of greatness, we don't really know if a work is great until after it is produced and read.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
I'm even more lost than before I asked.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
This came piece came out in 2021, 2 years after the follow-up reaction piece and almost 4 years after the original story. In this essay, a woman named Alexis Nowicki claims that "Cat Person" was actually inspired by something that happened to her. And not just "inspired" by, but with enough specific details matching that she had dozens of acquaintances contacting her to ask if she had written the story herself under a pen name.
While I enjoyed the drama like a car wreck on 95, I never found Nowicki's actions to be believably altruistic. She was either fame-whoring, or she was score settling regarding something off camera. But there is no way that her actions could have done anything to help avoid any of the problems she claimed to have, and would almost certainly make them much worse.
She claimed that her friends recognized her and her bf based on details in the story. Bullshit. There are 34,000 undergrads at UMich Ann Arbor at any given time, you're telling me she's the only freshman to ever fuck a 30-something? The precise details may have been bang on, sure, but call me antisocial but there are like five people I would recognize at the level of detail we're talking about here. Her best friend may have recognized her, maybe a dozen close friends, but not everyone in Ann Arbor or something like that. There just wasn't sufficient detail to connect the fictional story to a real person based on past events!
But of course, once she chose to publicly out herself, it became known to everyone. And everyone who was aware of her relationship to her dead bf, but hadn't guessed the connection, suddenly became aware of this supposedly deeply embarrassing fact about the late man. That is much more disgusting and libelous than the original short story! That's really outing the guy! It's taking something that was maybe a problem you had with a handful of people in your immediate social circle from college, and turning it into a problem that comes up if someone googles you.
The generic-ness of the story is what gives it its power, it feels like something that happens to everyone. One can picture oneself in either role. I actually looked it up to cite a particular scene to someone recently to explain a feeling I was having.
But accepting your premise, that at some level thinly-fictionalizing someone else is wrong, where do you draw the lines?
Are memoirs ever ok? How many details does one need to change before one can write a novel? Is bitching about your wife on TheMotte ok because it's all under pseudonyms? What if she reads what a mottizen said about her and kills herself out of shame? What about twitter under a pseudonym? What about a blog under a real name? If Kulak writes a little tweetstorm about some "feminist bitch" he had to deal with, and she reads it and recognizes that it was her, is he in the wrong? What about the "blankfaces" that scott aaronson decried? Or is it the ideological agenda that makes the crime? What details is one obligated to change to conceal identity, and which are immoral to change because one is no longer telling the real story?
Under rules designed to minimize harm to subjects of stories, is literature possible? Is journalism? Is essay writing? Memoir?
If one likes books, it seems like one has to offer freedom to the author. I've no doubt that many acquaintances of Hemingway or Hunter S Thompson or Bukowski felt some kind of way about some of their characters, there's a cottage industry to identifying the "real" abc in the classics, and we all accept that as the cost of doing business.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
People kill themselves for all kinds of reasons, many of them wildly insufficient, and nearly all of them inconsistent. There are virtually no life events that consistently lead to suicide, in the sense that there are more people who have the same experience and don't kill themselves, from even the most traumatic events. Most suicides are for much less.
When we attribute one person's suicide to another, we are engaging in an extreme form of eggshell plaintiff.
What do you think the suicide rate is among the subjects of viral MFA-type short stories?
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
I wanted to discuss this article and what it misses.
The core thesis of the article is this:
It’s actually really simple to get jacked. That’s not to say it’s easy- just that the complexity of the challenge is trivial, requiring only time and energy to succeed.
Think of getting jacked as something like this formula: GettingJacked = TIME * (.6X + .3Y + .1Z) X is your adherence to primary concepts, y is your adherence to secondary concepts, and z is your adherence to tertiary concepts. Primary and secondary concepts are a collection of just a handful of relatively simple ideas that require little financial investment. If you just focused on these, you would find getting jacked to be relatively straightforward. But tertiary concepts, predominantly supplements, are innumerable, complex, and require tons of money.
His primary concepts are progressive overload, training to (near) failure, eating enough protein, and cutting a low body fat. His secondary concepts are Compound lifts, optimal set numbers, and following a lifting program. The tertiary ones are essentially everything else, calling out trends or minor issues.
I think the article itself is kind of confused, why is following a lifting program a secondary concept but going to a class or working with a trainer is a tertiary one? But those are minor quibbles.
The real term in the equation I want to talk about is TIME. It's the unexamined assumption underlying the whole article, and a lot of "common sense" lifting/workout advice you see online. I want to examine that unexamined assumption.
Time as the author looks at is really combined with the word "adherence" used later, so it's something like "time adhering to a plan/program." Adherence is almost never 100%, even professional athletes don't always do every written rep of every written set in every written workout they planned across a multi-month program. Things happen. 70-95% program adherence is pretty typical informally for people who say they "completed" a program block. Anything over 60% adherence is pretty much "doing" the workout plan.
My learned friend in argument @sapph (no o) talked here about this comment discussing the idea that life is about doing 100 things every day that you don't want to do. Sapph says:
I have no idea why ideas like "Life is about doing 100 things every single day that you don’t want to do." became so popular in the culture. Of course people don't always follow the advice but people most do accept that success is largely about enduring hardship...There is a logic to all of this but other points of view used to be more common. In Rock Climbing you still see people talking about the importance of "being psyched". Being excited and energized, having fun. Its a lot easier to put in the time if you don't actually need to expend much effort. No one thinks it wont hurt sometimes. You are gonna fall and your fingers will bleed. But its just a completely different way of relating to your goals. The most important thing is to stay psyched.
And that's my jumping off point for what I think is missing: for the formula above for GettingJacked, or for any other similar goal, it's important not to treat time and adherence as black boxes, that just need to be brute forced through. ChaoticNeutral views the world in that way: lifting is simple, and maybe or probably unpleasant, but you need to apply willpower to it so as to maximize time and adherence and thereby achieve the goal. At this point in my life, I can reasonably say I've been lifting for the better part of 15 years, and more and more I react against that style, instead choosing like Sapph to constantly chase a new thing I'm stoked about.
I don't seek to optimize my program around adherence to the xyz principles at all, but instead on maximizing the TIME I put in by choosing a workout I'm stoked about. For some time like Sapph that was rock climbing for me, lately it's been new sports like jiu jitsu and long distance bicycle rides. But often it's just a matter of picking a new lift, or a new program, or a new implement like a heavy kettlebell or landmine. Picking a new game for me always ends up looking like having four or five new ideas, and trying them all at once until I see which one sticks.
And while I'm not a competitor in any sport, I'm reasonably proud of the shape I'm in. More and more I notice my friends falling off, and I think a big part of it is that attitude that places fitness and athletics in that "100 things you don't like but have to do" category.
The irony that I think causes the disconnect is that for a certain mindset, what gets them stoked about a workout program is exactly the thought that they are following an optimal program, or the minimal effective dose.
But I think a lot of people get stuck on that simple-but-difficult formula, banging their head against the wall, because they think that the only way to solve the problem is to apply more willpower. There's a tendency to refuse to try other things, or pay for other things, out of a kind of ascetic sense that it isn't necessary. But that's wrongheaded: the thing that makes you stoked about working out is nearly always worth it. The value of being in shape is nearly inevitably higher than the cost, and if being stoked is what you need it is what you need.
Or maybe I'm completely wrong. Maybe I'm weird in that I do enjoy working out in a reasonably-decent way, and most people don't, no matter what they try.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
I don't think it's at all responsible for the results I'm talking about, in Pennsylvania.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
This comment is giving me strong Buffalo bills energy
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
I want to hear it from Shapiro and Weinstein.
There's a reasonable argument that Israeli dual citizenship is no more disloyalty to the United States than being a fan of AJ Brown is disloyalty to the Philadelphia Eagles.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
It amazes me that the dual loyalty argument is never answered by "Israel should listen to America," only by "America should listen to Israel."
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
Without doxxing myself too aggressively, holy shit this was a blue year around here.
We had a Court of Common Pleas election in which the Republican was more qualified, spent more money, put more effort in, sent out more mail, put up more signs, contacted more volunteers. In the primary, where judicial candidates traditionally cross-file to both the R and D primary ballots, she was just a few percentage points from beating the D candidate on the D ballot, while winning the Republican ballot with Saddam Hussein numbers.
She got wrecked today, lost by a large margin. Just four years ago, in a three-seat judicial race, this same county elected three Republicans.
Zohran seemed like styles-make-fights to me. I don't really care about New Jersey or VA. But this one has me spooked. By all rights he should not have won that election, all the local political so-and-sos didn't think he would. His whole campaign was getting on the ballot as a D and hoping for the best. The best happened.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
2d ago
The successive loss of the second and third Romes defaulted leadership back to Rome.
I didn't think so, but I haven't been reading lifting blogs for a while, so I didn't want to make an assumption.
That's pretty much what I'm getting at when I talk about being "stoked" on something. Being interested in it and finding meaning in it.
I would guess that the majority of people who have done deep water enjoyed lifting at some level, because almost none of them got anything useful out of it.
Maybe they were all cumming day and night
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