AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
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AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
2mo ago
There are many good contingent arguments why suppressing conservative Christianity would be a poor idea; Christians are pretty near the core of good citizens, at least under a standard of "good citizen" that has prevailed until recently, and also they are a very old and thus fairly well-understood phenomenon, so there's an argument to stick to the devil you know, as it were. Ultimately, however, toleration is a question of value, and values observably change over time. If your values have changed sufficiently that toleration of conservative Christians no longer seems like a good idea, that's sorta the whole ball game, isn't it?
This assumes that Christians are the ones standing still and others are the ones whose values are changing. This does not fit with the last few years, where people who previously didn't know what IVF was have made opposition to it central to their politics. As you say, the question of whether a religion should be tolerated depends on what it's actually doing, and that can change over time.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
2mo ago
As with a lot of this stuff, there's a crypto-class element to it. The low-class crack addict who gave up the baby hours after birth is a "mother" while the upper-class woman who raised the child for eighteen years isn't.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
2mo ago
Honest question for religious conservatives here, why shouldn't secular people just straight up make your religion illegal, shut down your churches, burn your bibles, etc? Sure, advocating that would lead to a politically damaging public backlash. But is there a principled reason why they shouldn't do those things?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
2mo ago
Yes, at least the child will have a mother figure but you have knowingly taken it away from its actual mother, forever.
Such an utterly bizarre statement.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
2mo ago
Wrote a whole post on it:
https://alexanderturok.substack.com/p/somewhere-in-america-2
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
2mo ago
"It's the fact that we don't approach it with a clear and widespread understanding that it is in fact transhumanist to do."
Who's this "we" here? I assume you're talking about the United States, a country of crypto grifters, tradthot inflooencers, transgender mixed martial artists, strip club owners, obese Alex Jones fans, feminists horrified by male sexuality, white nationalists with Asian wives, bible thumpers predicting the return of Jesus that never happens and elderly Jews still mad they got blackballed from the country club in 1972. Are "we" supposed to come together and have some reasonable, rational "conversation?"
If you don't think kids should be raised by two male homosexuals, you don't need "bioethics" for that. You could have gotten that from an illiterate peasant in Guatemala. "Bioethics" has not done a single good thing since it was thought up and belongs on the railroad tracks.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
2mo ago
Lots of things done by low-class people are unpalatable but not illegal, such as being obese, having kids out of wedlock, smoking cigarettes, having tattoos, etc.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
2mo ago
It reminds me of the gay marriage debate if those arguing against gay marriage opposed marriage for straight people too.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
2mo ago
I’ve listened to hundreds of hours of him taking. I like Steve Bannon quite a bit. He is definitely not a “Nazi” in any meaningful way that aligns with anything the Nazis did which was historically significant. Bannon is a pro workers rights, anti big government, anti CCP, Christian Nationalist. The first speech he gave after prison was about how the justice system is racist against black people and we need to fix that. During the summer of Floyd he was taking about George Floyd as a victim of globalism, and while he obviously condemned the riots, he was sympathetic to that exact same things the rioters were upset about.
None of this contradicts the idea that he intentionally made a Nazi salute to draw attention to himself.
It's like saying "this person can't be a commie because their parents are rich" as they're waving a hammer and sickle flag on video.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
2mo ago
Is it just "white people advocating for themselves BAD"
When has Bannon advocated for white people?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
2mo ago
Not really. They're often driven by an inferiority complex with regards to richer, more educated, more sophisticated whites, usually expressed in hostility to blue-state whites and Europeans, but easily transmissible to white South Africans, who are not part of the "heartland" ingroup. Even for the explicitly "white nationalist" among them, you only really count as white if you pretend to be religious, like NASCAR, didn't go to college, etc.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
3mo ago
There aren't fat PF members because they have physical fitness requirements.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
3mo ago
Patriot Front is protesting as part of the March for Life in D.C., I guess they're mad the Great Replacement isn't happening fast enough. The Online Right is calling them feds, based apparently on ... nothing? I'm not saying they're not feds, just that I see no evidence for it. I can only wonder if it's because Patriot Front is pursuing the strategy of "white nationalist fusionism" (combining white nationalism with ultraconservatism, muh flag, muh constitution, pretending to be Christian, etc.) that many people think should be working. Normie conservatives are utterly uninterested.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
3mo ago
That DSL commenter is European.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
3mo ago
Presumably the same reason it didn't wade into tax policy or include a pot roast recipe. It isn't an article attempting to lay out structured life advise for young people.
The title of the article is "The Future of the Pro-Life Movement Is Going to Be Built in Our Own Homes." Subtitle is "We have a tremendous opportunity to actively build the future of our culture, starting with our kids."
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
there's no recommendation of trailer-park behavior like getting pregnant at 15
There's no condemnation of it either.
Similarly, given that some number of people will, I am told, get pregnant at 15
What I find objectionable is the mentality that teenage pregnancies just randomly fall on some proportion of the population. In fact, they are far more likely to occur in some subcultures than others, specifically those that treat it as something that just randomly happens.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
"Any sane pro lifer in this day and age would probably Counsel waiting until graduating high school before marrying the sweet heart and, maybe naively, they'd Counsel not having sex until then."
Then why doesn't the article say that?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
A recent article in NR provides a good example of the nature of today's pro-life movement (emphasis added):
The Future of the Pro-Life Movement Is Going to Be Built in Our Own Homes
When I reflect back on the past year, one story keeps coming to mind. It’s not a cultural trend or a court case, but rather a very personal, hidden story that for all I know speaks to so many other hidden stories like it.
One of the most radiant, joyful people I know chose life against the odds when she was just 15 years old; she told her story on social media only this year. This woman, Veronica Keene, is one of untold numbers of women who chose life against the advice of most who knew her well enough to offer it.
{snip}
When I look at her life — and at her children, her grandchildren, and her happy 34-year marriage — I wonder how many women would have chosen life if they’d felt strong enough to reject all of the voices telling them not to.
{snip}
So challenge your young men. Encourage them to become responsible, loving men who will respect, honor, and take care of the women in their lives. Model strength and grace for them. Show up for them every day. Give them the love and guidance they need to help build healthy, supportive relationships as adults.
Set your daughters’ standards high, too. Make sure they know they can come to you for advice and support when or if they make destructive decisions. Make sure they know they are worthy of respect, deserving of love.
I suspect that some people support or at least do not oppose pro-life because they see it as a "cultural" defeat for feminism. But ask yourself, is this really any better? There's the same gender-based double standards, but only one side is telling them the path to having a 34-year marriage is getting pregnant at 15 years old. (Yes, I know girls used to marry and have children at 16 back in the 19th century, the keyword there is married, very different from the trailer-park behavior this article is promoting.)
[ETA: you can read the article by using archive.ph]
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
4mo ago
The WHIMs on Earth are less fertile than average in a country already experiencing sub-replacement fertility. How does a Mars colony deal with that?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
5mo ago
Republicans are winning over tech bros and unions, and bleeding college-educated voters.
Unions sure, but I'd be surprised if Republicans were winning more tech workers than they did in 2012.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
5mo ago
NYT had a good article about political sorting:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/30/upshot/voters-moving-polarization.html
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
5mo ago
Here's a map of the Presidential vote swing from 2012 to 2024:
https://x.com/PatrickRuffini/status/1860310329248325759
It makes me wonder how much of Trump's appeal to midwestern industrial workers is dependent on trade rather than a broader, cultural working-class identity. I don't think farmers in Iowa swung massively toward him because they were mad their factories were being sent to China. Ditto with the Rio Grande Valley and Miami-Dade county.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
5mo ago
The challenge with striking against the pro-life movement is it's unclear what exactly the pro-life movement wants. Do they want more children or fewer?
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
5mo ago
I said "Griggs v. Duke Republicans" which are a subset of urban, educated, irreligious voters. RFK Jr., who supports reparations and throwing "climate deniers" in jail is not part of that. He's more a Dale Gribble voter:
https://www.richardhanania.com/p/the-rise-of-the-dale-gribble-voter
This slippery-slope objection never seems to stop religious fundamentalists from demanding their morality be the basis of state policy, so you'll forgive me if I wonder whether it's being put fourth in good faith.
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